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TomA5 (West Virginia)
Posts: 8
Posted:
Hi group, I have a question, our President and whole board quit, so I thought I would make a run for President, they emailed out ballots to only 27 homes which is a bit short of the total of homes there,so i decided I would print out the ballot and go ask the neighbors to vote, then turn those in, there are 2 running myself and someone else, the current board sent out an e-mail and said what I was doing was not legal, I searched the local laws and bylaws nothing said about this activity, I also would challenge the legitimately of the election because not all the neighbors where notified and not all were given the opportunity to vote. as I was talking with the neighbors about the election many of them had no idea that it was taking place and never received a ballot. What are your thoughts on this? BTW I am in the state of West Virginia.. Thanks Tom
DaveD3 (Michigan)
Posts: 796
Posted:
First question is who are THEY?
If you have no board, who decided to hold an election and send out ballots?

Most likely, an election would be held at a meeting of the ENTIRE membership, not by ballots selectively distributed. That is a number of unit owners concur that a meeting of the membership is required (maybe 1/3). Absent a board, they would select a time and place for the meeting and announce it to EVERYONE. Depending on how your documents are written, I would expect there to be a nomination process prior to any ballots or election.

Someone (who clearly isn't representing the board) sending out ballots to some units with a couple of names that someone (who?) decided to put on them is pretty much not meeting any requirements that I could dream up. That said, your ballots are really no better at this point from the sounds of it.
DavidW5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 565
Posted:
Tom,

There are a couple of issues here:

One does not run for the position of President; one runs for the position of board member. Following the election' the board members elect the officers of the board (president, vice president, secretary, treasurer).

Do you know how many of the members are "in good standing"? That means they are current on their dues, have no outstanding fines or other enforcement actions pending, etc. Only members in good standing can vote, so the fact that not everyone received a ballot does not, by itself, mean that some are being improperly excluded.

While it is laudable that you are willing to step up and volunteer, you must follow the provisions of your governing documents with regard to the election procedures.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Hi Tom,

Not knowing all the issues, the most likely possibility would be:

Ballots were sent only to those who were in good standing and allowed to vote (see your governing documents and/or State statutes to determine if the Board has the authority to suspend voting privileges).

You copying the ballots and taking them to the members who did not receive them could be seen as voter fraud if those members were not authorized to vote.

TomA5 (West Virginia)
Posts: 8
Posted:
The reason not everyone got the ballot, is that not everyone is on their e-mail list, It is a very long story, and I don't want to write a book, The current board is in place however they are all stepping down, not sure of the reason, but I have an idea, nominations did take place, and then the ballot went out via e-mail, to those on their list, I believe the reason they are stepping down is that no one cares, they also have 2 pending law suits against them that they will lose, because they did not get the vote properly for a special assessment, the assessment was for road repaving and they got about 15 votes out of 36 homes to proceed and then threaten everyone that did not pay with leans, one of the couples that did not pay, don't even use the road, their driveway goes out on the state road. they told me that they never did sign the CC&R's either, their lawyer cant find anything that says they did, and I believe they did not. anyway the only reason I am running for the president is because I want to stop this foolishness. I am worried that they will get sued, the insurance company will pay out then come and find a way to re-coop their losses.
right now I am currently looking for a lot to build a new home on and am just trying to buy some time, These people think they can do what ever they want, I send them emails with the law attached they sent one back that said what do these documents have to do with out HOA!! Then they want to try and enforce a bunch of CC&R's which have been ignored since 1998, I cant even begin to tell ya how many violations there are, every house has at least one. I am really worried about my property with these idiots running the HOA, which in my opinion is a lost cause....Thanks Tom
BTW I spoke with my lawyer she said that it is such a mess that they would be better off just having a road mait association and get rid of the CC&R's altogether, I also know that there are just some that will not pay no matter what, and pursuing this is a very dangerous proposition. But then again what do I know......
TomA5 (West Virginia)
Posts: 8
Posted:
Forgot to mention, in the WV state law and in the bylaws it says nothing about members having to be in good standing. Thanks..
DaveD3 (Michigan)
Posts: 796
Posted:
What a mess

Sounds like the election is flawed and likely invalid. Sending ballots out by email? Really?
Read your documents. Surely they have a section titled ELECTIONS and state exactly what process must be followed in order to hold a valid election. I'm guessing what they're doing ain't it.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
To challenge the election results, you will likely have to seek legal advice.

However, if "no-one cares" then it might not be worthwhile to challenge the election. Perhaps you should first just volunteer to serve and see if those elected through this process will appoint you to an empty seat.

OR

Am I misunderstanding your posting and everyone currently serving is not quitting and there was enough candidates to fill all available seats?
TomA5 (West Virginia)
Posts: 8
Posted:
Hi Tim, they are currently serving, one of the positions are expiring, the other two are quitting, or just sorta dropping out, My only concern in this is the possibility of the lawsuits leading to a larger problem, I am hoping I can get the President position so I can head off the lawsuits, it just isn't worth it. Meantime I am looking for a lot to build a home on and I will never live in an HOA community again!!
I know there are some good ones, but It only takes a small group of uninformed people to mess up. and when Lawyers and insurance Co and Money is involved, it can get ugly quick.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By TomA5 on 04/08/2013 10:45 AM

I am hoping I can get the President position so I can head off the lawsuits,

Please be aware that the President is only the face and the voice for the Board.
The Office of the President is typically not authorized to make any decisions on their own.

Decisions are made by majority vote of the Board.
If elected/appointed to the Board (regardless of what Office you might also hold) you are only 1 vote.

Therefore you will need support of the Board to do anything regarding the potential lawsuits.
TomA5 (West Virginia)
Posts: 8
Posted:
Thanks for the reply Tim, I am aware of that, but as far as I can tell there is no other people involved, with the rest of them stepping down, I think this will be the only position, some of my neighbors told me they would be happy to be on the board, but wont get involved with the current crew involved. In other words they say "win" and we will help. other than that they have no interest. I feel I am wasting my time...
DaveD3 (Michigan)
Posts: 796
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By TomA5 on 04/08/2013 10:45 AM
Hi Tim, they are currently serving, one of the positions are expiring, the other two are quitting, or just sorta dropping out, My only concern in this is the possibility of the lawsuits leading to a larger problem, I am hoping I can get the President position so I can head off the lawsuits, it just isn't worth it. Meantime I am looking for a lot to build a home on and I will never live in an HOA community again!!
I know there are some good ones, but It only takes a small group of uninformed people to mess up. and when Lawyers and insurance Co and Money is involved, it can get ugly quick.

So nobody actually quit/resigned? Not seeking reelection at the end of one's term is just that. It's neither quitting nor resigning.

Find the part of your documents pertaining to elections. If the board is failing to follow, notify the board in writing. Also notify the general population that the election being held is invalid ad it does not comply with the regulations. If that doesn't work, lawyer up.
TomA5 (West Virginia)
Posts: 8
Posted:
No Dave, they Resigned, here is a copy of the e-mail.
Dear Homeowners:

We apologize for you receiving this note a little later than planned.

According to the By-Laws, β€œthe annual meeting shall be held on the first Friday in February and the terms of at least one-third of the Directors shall expire annually.” The term of the Treasurer, **********, expires at this time. Unfortunately, the President, ************, and the Secretary, *************, have opted to step down also.

If you are interested in one of these positions (President, Secretary or Treasurer), please submit a note with your name and position desired to **************.com or let one of the officers know. Please do not nominate someone else – this has happened in the past and the person was not interested in the position. Please submit your name by April 1, 2013; ballots will follow.

Please consider running for one of these positions and supporting the ************* HOA.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Tom

Several points about the Email.

Generally one runs for the BOD as a Director. The elected Directors then elect their Officers from amoung themselves. One does not run for a specific Officer's position. Check your Bylaws.

Often Bylaws will dictate the size of the BOD

The Email makes it appear there will still be some Directors left on the BOD even with the resignations. If so then the remaining Directors can appoint people to fill any vacant Director positions. It might take a majority of existing Directors to vote/agree on the people but this is one way BOD's stack themselves with like thinkers.

I knew someone that was going to resign from a BOD for health reasons. He was encouraged to wait until after the upcoming election (his seat was not up for election) and resign after the election so the BOD could appoint his replacement with a like thinker.

Hope this helps.

BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
Tom,

Don't take the e-mail you received as gospel. The writer may not have realized what he was writing was not necessarily correct. Read your bylaws.

As others have said, typically, in an HOA, an individual does not run for an "office" as an officer position (president, vice-president, secretary, treasurer). Typically, an individual runs for a position as director (board member) and the board members elect the officers. There may be exceptions, but that is typically how it is done.

Officers and directors are not the same, even though an individual may be both an officer and a director. Typically, directors have voting rights on the board; officers do not. When an individual who is an officer and a director votes, that person votes as a director; not as an officer.

Again, read your bylaws.

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