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BudB (South Carolina)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Hi.
I don.t know if this was discussed before or not,because I just joined.
I want to know if the H.O.A has to pay to install a hand rail for a tenant,
or does the tenant pay for it,and we hire someone to install it.And is there
federal or state laws to govern this subject.
EllieD (Vermont)
Posts: 446
Posted:
BudB,

Where is the handrail needed?

BudB (South Carolina)
Posts: 4
Posted:
On the outside of the building
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
What kind of set up do you have? Is it high rises or individual homes? Are you their landlord? Most ADA don't apply to HOA's as HOA's don't really own the homes. They just own the property around and control the appearances of the property. It is usually up to the individual to apply their own special equipment with permission.

Former HOA President
BudB (South Carolina)
Posts: 4
Posted:
There are two steps in the front of the unit that the tenant can,t navigate
without support.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Still unclear here. Do you own the unit or does that person own the unit? Are they are renter or an owner? I would say it is their responsibility to install the handrail with the HOA's approval if they are the owner. Otherwise how do you feel using every member's money to pay for this? If the HOA' installs it, that is what you are doing. So the decision is yours.

Former HOA President
BudB (South Carolina)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Thanks Hon,
I think I will tell them that its their responsibility to put up a
rail, but if they need a contractor,they can use ours when they get
permission from the board.
EllieD (Vermont)
Posts: 446
Posted:
BudB,

Your use of the term “unit” suggests that the building may be in a Condominium Association.

If the Association is a Condominium, then it is important to know whether or not the steps to the Unit are considered “Limited Common Area”.

Would you be willing to post a few more details?
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By BudB on 03/26/2013 9:19 AM
Hi.
I don.t know if this was discussed before or not,because I just joined.
I want to know if the H.O.A has to pay to install a hand rail for a tenant,
or does the tenant pay for it,and we hire someone to install it.And is there
federal or state laws to govern this subject.

No. The FHA and the Justice Dept. state that expenses to accommodate a handicapped individual must be paid for by the individual. Furthermore, if the modifications need to be made to common elements, the individual may, in some circumstances, be required to pay the cost of having them removed when they are no longer needed. See the attached; in particular, questions 3, 24, 25, and 26.
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BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
I should add, the document also applies to HOAs and Condos; not just to rented dwellings. You will also find that statement in the document.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
Bud,

I would recommend the HOA install modest handrails on those steps. I'm not sure about federal or state entitlement laws, but this seems common sense. Besides, more than just this one resident will ultimately use those rails. If this were some huge accommodation, I'd pause, but this is a simple job and helps a paying resident stay active. Go for it.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
The HOA money is ALL the members money. So this would require a vote of the membership or board to want to undertake this responsibility and/or expense. I would not. It is the owner's responsibility and they just should apply for HOA approval. After they sell the property they will be responsible for removing it as well. It doesn't make sense for the HOA to pay for this unless it was a condo situation where there where everyone who lived there had to use that entrance.

Former HOA President
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
There are two steps in the front of the unit......


'good practice' would include handrails WHEREVER there are steps

now that steps w/o handrails/supports have been brought to the direct attention of the BOD:

are they, in fact, safe without rails?

for ANYONE with a reasonable expectation of proper/safe construction?

remember, code is the absolute MINIMUM and may not be a reasonable defense against a negligence action ~ are you SURE steps w/o rails actually meets code?

just saying
LauraR5 (Tennessee)
Posts: 220
Posted:
If it is the entrance to just their unit, then I think they are responsible but must submit ARC request and be approved. Although, our association does repair the handrails to the stairs of individual units because we see it as a liability issue and we want them to all look uniform.

That being said, my unit has a very high deck with no railing. It is not particularly safe, but it is up to code. I have been informed that I may put a railing on my deck that matches the others with board approval at a cost to me. That isn't ADA compliance, but I would think much like my situation it's your responsibility to make your own home that you own ADA compliant. They wouldn't expect the HOA to put in a wheelchair ramp or a chair lift on interior steps, so this is no different. And actually, in our community my former landlord was blind and fell off her porch and they made her pay to have her own hand rail installed.
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
"...very high deck with no railing."

30" or more above grade REQUIRES a railing

period, end of case
LauraR5 (Tennessee)
Posts: 220
Posted:
Re: my deck.

The back of my deck is right around 30 inches. It is also built on a steep grade, so if you fell off of it, you'd probably fall five feet before you hit ground. However, because it's built into a grade, the side of it is maybe 9 inches off the ground. I had both the city codes office and a representative from my home's builder out here and they both confirmed that they measure the height from the lowest point, not the highest point. The code officer even told me that I did not have to install my own railing if I didn't want to, but I think it's incredibly unsafe, so I am putting in railings this summer.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Laura

Wise decision on installing a railing. One note of caution. Be sure the association approves the type/style.

The average step is 7 to 8in so 30in is about 4 steps.
LauraR5 (Tennessee)
Posts: 220
Posted:
I was just actually talking to our board president about this yesterday. There are actually several homes where the builder did install railings (none have a drop-off as steep as mine) so I have taken pictures of what they have and will just go to Lowe's and ask them to order the same thing for me.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Laura

My advice is get written permission to prevent issues down the road even if identical to what is there already.

Hope this helps.

LauraR5 (Tennessee)
Posts: 220
Posted:
Definitely, John. I am actually about to go through our community and check exterior improvements to ARC request forms and ask anyone who didn't submit one to get it on file. I don't plan to make anyone change anything; I am more worried that at some point down the road a board less reasonable than we are will come along and crack down on folks who don't have the paperwork on file and make them change it.

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