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SteveS8 (New York)
Posts: 128
Posted:
We are a condominium in New York. Building started on our community in 2006. It was fully expected that it would be finished and sold out by 2009, but we all know what happened to the economy.

Here we are in March of 2013 and about 85% of the community has been sold, and Hurricane Sandy has brought many new customers looking to get away from the shores of Long Island. We expect to see everything sold within the next two years or less.

The builder will not discuss transition with anyone. It is almost as if he would prefer to wait as long as humanly possible before giving up his books and records for examination by attorneys or engineers representing the homeowners.

We cannot get an answer about forming a transition committee except that he thinks the current board members are best qualified to do so (the problem is that 4 board members are his and the homeowners have 3 as the minority). We would never get anything we want or need under those circumstances.

Now we have come to the realization that there is a statute of limitations or 3 or, maybe, 6 years on construction, and perhaps he wishes to make sure he falls outside of those ranges before allowing any inspections to go on.

Many homeowners are feeling very uneasy.

As a condo in New York, what recourse do homeowners have to get a transition committee up and running and how do we light a fire under the builder so we can get what we are rightfully entitled to?

Thanks!!
Steve
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Are you sure your governing documents don't specify when the developer must turn the project over to the condo owners? Usually it's stated as a % that have closed escrow or some other event. There are a lot on this board who will be able to advise you, I think.
SteveS8 (New York)
Posts: 128
Posted:
Not a single word.
BrianB10 (North Carolina)
Posts: 24
Posted:
Have you considered an amendment to the covenants or bylaws? In NC with a super majority vote (67%) you as homeowners could vote in an amendment that gives you control after a % of lots have been sold. Ask your attorney about the specifics, but this might be the only time you could get all homeowners to agree and support an amendment.

SteveS8 (New York)
Posts: 128
Posted:
Our Offering Plan states that as long as the Sponsor owns a single home in the community (or even if he is renting a single home), he will have control over the board.

There is even a line which states, "Purchasers may never gain control of the Board of Managers under the terms of this Offering Plan."

Yes, our Offering Plan states that we can amend it with a 66.2/3% vote of the homeowners.

Problem is that the text also suggests that the vote has to come at a "duly held Homeowners meeting". The sponsor has used his majority on the board previously to vote down meetings that homeowners wanted to hold for other purposes.

We have no reason to believe that he will allow such a meeting to circumvent his apparent goals to the contrary.
Steve
BrianB10 (North Carolina)
Posts: 24
Posted:
Steve consult an attorney.... I firmly believe that if he has sold over 85% of the properties, he is screwed. I do not care what is written, if 85% of the homeowners band together to take him on, most courts would rule in your favor. I managed an association once and the developer was a real piece of work. His workmanship was for the birds and his use of association funds was suspicious to put it mildly. However, the HOA hired a great attorney and we took him to task on many issues, as a general contractor and builder I had a leg up and as manager I told the Board what was happening was unacceptable. He ended up settling out of court for a large sum of money to silence all the voices. I think there are other violations, but I am NOT an attorney, surely somewhere in your bylaws it says that the board must be acting in the best interest of the common element and the homeowners, regardless of who is in control, must have mettings, must have budget, must have etc..., plus notification to all owners... Somewhere in there he has screwed up and missed something.. a good attorney will find and exploit...
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
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Posted By SteveS8 on 03/25/2013 7:43 PM
Our Offering Plan states that as long as the Sponsor owns a single home in the community (or even if he is renting a single home), he will have control over the board.

There is even a line which states, "Purchasers may never gain control of the Board of Managers under the terms of this Offering Plan."

What for the love of God, would entice you to buy, with something like this in the Offering??????

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
SteveS8 (New York)
Posts: 128
Posted:
The Offering Plan is 488 pages of mumbo jumbo. I do not know a single person who spent more than 5 minutes looking at it before they bought here.

When I bought into the community 5 years ago, I just assumed it was all fine, but I have residents emailing all the time now about the rules, and I have read the book dozens of times now.

I happen to love the community, but the sponsor and management are another story all-together.
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
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The sponsor has used his majority on the board previously to vote down meetings that homeowners wanted to hold for other purposes.


So, the homeowners should hold their own meeting. In a location he does not control. He can't stop the homeowners from having their own meeting.
SteveS8 (New York)
Posts: 128
Posted:
We could... but the Offering Plan states that it must be a "duly held" meeting. The argument will be that it is not duly held unless the board says it is.

If we hold a meeting off site, and het 66 2/3rd to vote amendments, they will never see the light of day... in my opinion.
Steve
BrianB10 (North Carolina)
Posts: 24
Posted:
I think you are wrong... According to attorneys here in NC an association that votes in the super majority, has A LOT of power. Regardless of the documents....
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Steve,

Your association may be subject to state laws for non-profit corporations.

From what I have seen here, the members usually have the power to call their own meeting without board approval. If those 4 toadies on the board are not owners, you can refuse to allow them to attend your owners' meeting.

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Do you have a copy of your Convenants and Restrictions, by-laws, or Articles of Incorporation? All your answers lay in those documents. It does not sound like you have a copy or have read it. I'd suggest starting there. When handed over the only thing that has to change is reference to the builder and their rights. Otherwise everything in there is what you and your other owners will abide to.

Former HOA President
DaveD3 (Michigan)
Posts: 796
Posted:
Usually the owners can, by petition, call a special meeting. Or there is a means of amending the documents (which is what you're after) that requires the board to hold a special meeting if there is a petition that meets certain requirements in terms of # of signatures. There should be a way to force the board's hand on the matter.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Posted By DaveD3 on 03/27/2013 7:54 AM
Usually the owners can, by petition, call a special meeting. Or there is a means of amending the documents (which is what you're after) that requires the board to hold a special meeting if there is a petition that meets certain requirements in terms of # of signatures. There should be a way to force the board's hand on the matter.

Dave has offered good advice. There is usually a way for owners to force a special meeting.

Hope this helps.

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