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ElizabethP1 (Florida)
Posts: 3
Posted:
I recently was elected to my communities HOA board of directors as Secretary. When I asked about the minutes from our Annual Meeting and would we be receiving a copy prior to our first board meeting, I was told that the Annual Meeting minutes aren't approved until the following year at the annual meeting. Some how, I find this odd. As how are the residents in our community supposed to know who won the elections. What the vote count was, and we also passed some changes to our by-laws that no one will know what the actual tally of the votes for the proposed changes will be.

My questions are simply these: When are the minutes from the annual meeting approved, and when are the votes for the board, and the by-laws approved and passed onto the residents?

Thank you

Regards,

Elizabeth Piper
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Elizabeth,
I am no authority but I suppose if there was a motion made and seconded at the annual meeting that actions be ratified, you might do away with approving the meeting until next year. I sure would go back through the records of meeting and see how tthis came to be.
I don't have a clue why this would be done. Normally, minutes are approved at the next meeting, regular or otherwise.

Ask for an explanation and if it don't make sense I would be very cautious about having any input to board business until I knew enough to be comfortable.
JM2 (Oregon)
Posts: 439
Posted:
Hi Elizabeth:

This question came up on a manager's internet board that I'm on. Basically, practice is all over the place on whether it's done at the next annual meeting, or at the next board meeting. Robert's Rules (which many HOA's use and some states mandate) call for approval at the next regular meeting. Since most HOA's only have a meeting of members once per year, that points toward approval at the next board meeting.

At a minimum, it would be wise to have the draft minutes distributed to the Board for feedback and correction, even if they don't "approve" them at that meeting and it waits until the next annual meeting.

Regarding letting owners know who won the election, a few thoughts:
1) this could be sent out in a newsletter, on the notice for the Board meeting, or by email (you do send notice of board meetings to all owners, don't you?).
2) anybody interested in who won would probably show up at the next Board Meeting.

Any changes to legal documents (bylaw amendments, CC&R ammendments) and any resolutions passed, should be sent out to the membership within a month, unless another timeline is mandated either by your documents or by state law.

Best of luck on the Board. Be sure to get some education (if you haven't already) through your local CAI chapter or by other means. CAI has some very good resources (books, classes, etc.) and it's well worth a line item in the budget for the HOA to send you to class or purchase books that could be passed from board member to board member.

J. Patrick Moore, CMCA
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Elizabeth, waiting a year to approve annual meeting minutes makes no sense; plus the majority attending the last annual meeting may not even be present at the next annual meeting. I suggest providing a DRAFT of the annual members meeting to those who attened, or post on the HOA website, or include in a newsletter, soon after the annual meeting. Then have the Board approve the final draft at the next following Board meeting.
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Elizabeth:

We approve at the next board meeting, don't know if that is the proper way, but that is what we do.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
How can you hold a legal meeting, elect officers by vote, approve prior meetings, maybe vote on a project or expenditure of funds and not approve the minutes. Seems to me the Meeting has to be approved or at least the proposed actions ratified.
ElizabethP1 (Florida)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Hi J.M.:

Thank you for your immediate response to my questions. Actually, I purchased two very good books on HOA's recently. First, I have a question for you, I'm not being nosey but what do the CMCA initial after your name stand for.

And yes, according to our community documents are HOA board is supposed to be following Roberts Rules. But I was told by our newly elected Pres. that she discussed this with our management company who told her that the minutes from the annual meeting are looked upon as different from those of reg. meetings therefore, they are not approved until the following years annual meeting.

As this didn't sound appropriate to me, I felt I should ask on here to see how it is usually handled.

As for the way our HOA handles contacting the residents, the meetings are put on a calendar in our monthly newsletter. Signs are put up on the Blvd. 72 hours prior to the meetings and posted on the outside of the clubhouse and on the community HOA bullentin board.

We also have a community email newsletter than comes out weekly that supplies the residents on the mailing list with info. on meetings and other community info.

Hopefully,if I contact the management company again, they will supply me with the minutes from the annual meeting,along with the final tallies for the election, and proposed by-law changes votes. I did request this information the day after the annual meeting and was informed that info. was not a priority to them and they would be available later. Then I was informed by the Pres. of assoc. about having them at the next annual meeting. This seems rather fishy to me.

Again, thank you very much for your response. I certainly appreciate it.

Regards,

Elizabeth Piper
ElizabethP1 (Florida)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Roger,

Thank you for your response. I had received this info. from our management company and felt that it seemed odd. As our associate is supposed to follow Roberts rules this is certainly not the way I preceived it to be handled.

I had asked for copies of the minutes the day after our election and was told that they would be available soon, then the Pres. of the assoc. contacted me to tell me she was told these do not get approved until the next annual meeting.

Anyway, thank you again for your response.

I truly appreciate it.

Regards,

Elizabeth Piper
DonN (Michigan)
Posts: 357
Posted:
The best procedure is for the board to promptly approve the annual meeting minutes for publication so that the actions can be provided to the members. At the next meeting of the members, the members approve the minutes.

JudithW (Texas)
Posts: 10
Posted:
The minutes of the meeting can only be approved by the body holding the meeting. So if this is an meeting for all the members, then the minutes would be approved the next time all members meet. The minutes for board meetings should be approved at the next board meeting. However, not only should a draft be provided ASAP to board members, it should be provided to all members after board review ASAP.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
JudithW,
How about a comment on this:

Our Board is all Non-residents in our Condo Regime. Annual meetings are held and Board meeting about four times a year with no owners allowed to join conforence call meetings. Board says there are numerous reasons owners are excluded and mentioned expense as one but did not specify other reasons.

At our annual meeting we always have a motion from the floor that the members ratify the meeting as accepting all the Boards actions taken or will be taken as a result of meeting. The same person always makes this motion and the same person seconds it and the members all vote yes because they don't know what it means. I don't know and suspect this is something that got started and just continues.

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