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CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
When we're not piddling around with poolside clocks, we try to actually improve services for our residents. This is on Tuesday's open meeting agenda.

Small satellite dishes--invisible from the street-- would be installed on the roofs of our two towers at no cost to our HOA. Where the vendor makes money is that residents who want the service would pay $50 per month to the firm in exchange for a speed of 200 MBPS (vs 15 - 30 MBPS from our local providers). The firm has been ranked as CA's fastest internet provider for the past 4 years. Just last month an owner requested the service at our open forums. So all the firm wants from the board is a five-year Right of Entry, which includes wiring paths. Because we have so many contracts here, I feel this Right of Entry agreement looks good.

In a addition, this San Francisco-based firm would provide their service free to our managers and our lobbies' WiFi hotspots.

Our PM is high on this service. Sounds very nice to me. Anyone know about it? Any downsides?
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Make sure your laws allow for satellite dishes. It is no longer allowed to be restricted. However, most HOA's have not updated their documents to allow them. So now may be a good time to review and update with new technology options. Someone will question this eventually if it is still in your rules.

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LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Carol,

I am always skeptical of advertised speeds. My local phone company and my cable provider both advertise that they are the fastest. I have had service with both of them at various times and never had speeds even remotely close to what they advertise. Not that I am disappointed with what I have, it's just that they promise one thing and deliver something far less.

I would ask for a demo before going forward with the satellite. Maybe some references in similar installations. I know of several people who have individual satellite service through a well-known national provider and they uniformly hate it. They find that their speeds are determined by the number of users on the system at the moment. They say they get fairly good speeds in Arizona around midnight to three AM, because the users on the east coast are asleep. But when they start getting up early in the morning the speed starts to slow down. And in spite of the provider's advertising, they do limit the amount of data you can upload or download in a day either by freezing them out completely or just slowing service down even more.

For a time I was living in a small town that had neither cable nor DSL. I tried a cellular-based modem and was disappointed with it and stuck with it only because it was the only game in town (except for the crappy satellite). Then I found a start-up provider with a Motorola-designed wireless system that provided faster speeds and did not require a line-of-sight connection. Kind of like a wide-area WI-FI. While it was slower than a cable modem, it was such a good system that I used it until I moved out of that area.

BTW, there is a free speed test available at http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/ I just ran it and my cable service measured download speeds of 12.01 mbps and upload of 12.65mbps. I would want to see that 200 mbps to believe it.
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
FCC trumps our own CC&R against satellite dishes so long as they're less than about 39" in diameter, which these are. We do have 2-3 residences that have them on their balconies, Melissa.

Good idea about references, Larry. Our former PM manages a huge condo bldg. in SF and I suspect the rec to our mgr. came from her. I'll also check out the firm online. Not only do they promise 200MBPS, they say they'll have 1000 before long. But I'll ask thier rep on Tues. about reliability of access and speed.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Carol,

It also occurred to me that where you measure the speed may be a factor in what the number is. Is that 200 mbps what someone in their living room will receive at, say, 8PM on Wednesday evening when everyone is online or is that number what will be available right at the dish. This one of the few areas in life where I am not an expert but I think each user connected to the various routers will bring down the speed at the user's end.

I think satellite internet service has a lot of potential that has yet to be tapped. We originally went to satellite TV service 10 years ago when we lived in a location just outside the Tucson city limits where cable was not available. We liked satellite so well that we continued using it when we later moved to the Sacramento area. A few years later we moved back to Phoenix and got suckered into the cable system's bundle of phone, TV, and internet. The cable service was a big disappointment and eventually we went back to our satellite TV (but we kept the cable internet).

I am always amazed at how much more reliable the satellite signal is compared to the hard-wired cable. We normally experience about a half-hour per year when the satellite system fails compared to at least that much per week with cable.
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Our Board met with two reps of the firm last night. Among homeowners in attendance were four or so who're very tech savvy. Our PM was very familiar with the product based on her interactions with other CA PM's especially in the SF Bay area where the firm is headquartered. And I'd looked at the firm's website and asked the reps a couple of questions based on it and also Larry's advice.

It's only available for high rise buildings and the system indeed offers 200 MBPS both for uploads and downloads in our towers. Even at peak time, say, 8pm, no one would notice a slight dip because it's so fast. In exchange for access to our roofs and existing wiring paths, our PM, Mgr. Asst. 2 engineers and 2 security station computers will have use of it free of charge, so that gives us some savings as we're paying for those services now. We'll also have one free WiFi hotspot.

It'll cost $50 per mo. for users who have it installed or $450 a year if paid for 12 months.

I know we don't have many high rise folks who visit this board, but if you're interested in knowing more or contacting the firm, give me your email addy and I'll send details.

LauraR5 (Tennessee)
Posts: 220
Posted:
If you've have owners request it, it costs nothing to the association and you don't mind giving them an easement and having their dishes on your roof, then I say what does it hurt? As long as residents understand you are just providing access to the service and aren't responsible for the performance then it would be fine, I think.
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Oh, Laura, I think I forgot to mention that we did approve the service.
LauraR5 (Tennessee)
Posts: 220
Posted:
Great minds think alike!

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