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ZacheryK (Florida)
Posts: 34
Posted:
Our Declaration of Restrictions covers topics such as Property Usage, Painting, Outside Storage, Parking, Vehicles, Leases, Garbage and Trash, etc...

The Rules and Regulations include many if not all of the above but often expands or modifies what is in the Declaration and am not sure if these are actually Amendments. For example Parking:

The Declaration states:

The parking or storage of automobiles except upon pave portions of roads and driveways is prohibited. The overnight parking of motor vehicles upon private roads or public rights-of-way is prohibited. The overnight parking of storage of trucks in excess of one-half ton rated capacity is prohibited. The parking or storage of boats or boat trailers, campers or trailers is prohibited.

The Rules and Regulations state:

Parking of vehicles shall be allowed only in compliance with this Section and the Declaration.

No parking is allowed on grass or any other portion of a lot other than the finished driveway. No vehicle shall be parked so as to extend past the endpoint of any driveway, so as to protrude into common roadways, nor shall any vehicle be parked so as to block any sidewalk. No recreational vehicles, trailers or the like shall be parked overnight provided that the Board may elect, in its sole discretion, to grant a temporary waiver. However, any such temporary waiver shall not provide for any period in excess of three (3) days, and all vehicles must be parked completely within the driveway portion of a lot. Vehicle repair and servicing is not allowed in any driveway or common roadway. No overnight parking on the roadways or other common areas is allowed. No commercial vehicles are allowed to park overnight. No parking in any other driveway is allowed without the lot owner’s consent.

So, in the Parking example above should the Rule be considered an Amendment to the Declaration? Rules and Reg’s need 2/3 membership for approval, Amendments need all Financial Institutions holding mortgages to also approve.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Generally a BOD alone can make Rules and Regulations. They do not need owner approval. Rules and Regulations are used to clarify/define and as long as they do not override/toughen up Covenants/Bylaws then there is usually not an issue. Like change the pool open hours is simple enough. Then come the trickier ones like define a commercial vehicle or limit rentals, etc. but other subjects.

In your example the potential issue I see is that the Covenants say no overnight parking of certain type things. The R&R says the BOD could allow a waiver for those certain type things to be parked overnight for 3 days.

One could make a case that the Covenants say no overnight parking of such and your BOD is using R&R's to give them the power to override this.

Just my opionion.

CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Zachery, are you sure that revising the rules requires 2/3 approval from owners?? And mortgage holders?? Please quote your source. That's much more typically what's needed to revise CC&Rs (Declaration of Restrictions).

Even in CA, where owners have a lot of protection and voice, our board can add, delete or revise rules by only needing to send the proposed changes to owners for a 30-day comment period.

So John46's point is relevant and important. It looks like the board wants to Weaken a CC&R via a softer rule. I don't think they can do this.
ZacheryK (Florida)
Posts: 34
Posted:
I’m inquiring about “Rule vs. Amendment” issues because we are in process of ‘overhauling’ our CC&R’s to correct errors, conflicts between documents, and compliance with FS 720. We’re self managed and have decent folks, BOD and Members, trying to do the right things in the right way. Right now we can not rely on our legal counsels opinion and are in process of changing that.

CarolR11, I quickly realized my error on approval % after posting. Our Declaration enables the Board to make reasonable R&R’s but the Articles call for approval by 60% of members. Under ASSOCIATION POWERS is the following: “To make and amend reasonable regulations respecting the use of the lands in the Project area owned by the members, or groups thereof, as tenants in common and provided, however, that after the Developer shall divest itself of control of the Association as herein provided, all such regulations and amendments thereto shall be approved by not less than 60% of the votes of the entire membership of the Association before such shall become effective. While the Developer shall remain in control of the Association such regulations and amendments thereto need only be adopted by the Board to be effective. (Note – the Developer is long gone)

To amend the Declaration: “AMENDMENT REQUIRES MORTGAGEE’S CONSENT. These restrictions may not be amended without the consent of each bank, insurance company or federal savings and loan association holding a purchase money first mortgage upon a LOT in the SUBDIVISION and the approval of at least two-thirds (2/3rds) of the lot owners either voting at a meeting or expressing consent in writing or any combination of the above”.

So, in JohnC46’s view if the R&R’s simply clarify or define the Covenants then it’s OK, but if they override/toughen up the Covenants an Amendment is required.

For example:

The Covenant states “The parking or storage of automobiles except upon paved portions of roads and driveways is prohibited”. The R&R states ”No parking is allowed on grass or any other portion of a lot other than the finished driveway”. That’s OK because it clarifies the covenant.

The Covenant does not address parking in someone else’s driveway but the R&R states “No parking in any other driveway is allowed without the lot owner’s consent”. That seems to be ‘toughening’ the Parking Covenant which would then require an Amendment. (?)

As JohnC46 noted, the Covenants say no overnight parking of certain type things. The R&R says the BOD could allow a waiver for those certain type things to be parked overnight for 3 days, so the BOD is using R&R's to give them the power to override this. Hence it should be an Amendment. (?)

As a note the membership is in general agreement that you shouldn't park in someone else’s driveway without permission and that it’s a good thing to have a temporary waiver on overnight parking if someone is moving in or out and the truck is there for a day or so or for whatever extraordinary reason may happen.

So, it’s not the content of the Rules that are in question it’s the process of deciding if a Rule is actually a Rule or really an Amendment to the Declaration.

My personal view is if we are going to go through the rigor of Amending the Declaration we should simply include the “Rules” that overlap the Declaration into the Declaration and fix these inconsistencies all at once.

Sorry for the length of this but it’s important to our HOA and I appreciate all thoughts on the topic.

Zach
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
ZACH

One issue I have is once things are in the Covenants/Bylaws it will take a majority to change so be careful what is put in there.

Like it could say that overnight parking is not allowed but the BOD can allow temporary exceptions as they see fit.

Sounds simple enough. Less then 20 simple words. Well what if one has a BOD that rather then be considerate such as allow for a moving truck simply allows any and all over night parking requests?

Well one thinking is as the BOD is elected by the owners they should have room to implement what the owners want especially when the times change. The flip side of this is if the BOD got out of control (which they are often accussed of being) then they could be recalled or not re-elected and thge Rules and Regulations changed by the new BOD.

There are Covenants out there that ban satellite dishes but the government has pretty well over ridden them. Another hot button are clothes drying lines. Most HOA's ban them but many are making a good case for having them. Also the new hot button issue about plugin electric cars.

Be careful of what one asks for. They just might get it......LOL

Not sure I have given an answer.........LOL

PeterD3 (Florida)
Posts: 708
Posted:
Some additional info related the OP's question for Florida HOA members:

http://www.floridacondohoalawblog.com/2011/05/articles/covenant-enforcementviolations/what-rules-and-regulations-are-enforceable/
BrianB10 (North Carolina)
Posts: 24
Posted:
Question: In your covenants and restrictions where does your personal property end and the common element begin?

In my experience, Boards, in general, have the authority to create and enforce Rules and Regulations that govern the use of the common element. Changes that affect your real property are an amendment...

example:

Board wants to change the rental rules and apply a rental cap... AMENDMENT (And yes that takes a super majority or 2/3 vote... I even had an attorney tell me that to be unassailable in a court of law you would need 100%)

Board wants to say that your car can not be parked in such a manner that it blocks the sidewalk, which is most definitely common element... Rules & Regs Change

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