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LanceS1 (Maryland)
Posts: 11
Posted:
I have asked my my HOA company for financial documents (bank statements specifically). As I would like to see the cash flow and financial state of our association. They have sent over various budgets but, will not provide bank statements due to "confidentiality of home owners." Is this correct? I live in Maryland. Thanks again for your help!
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Posted By LanceS1 on 03/20/2013 7:42 AM
I have asked my my HOA company for financial documents (bank statements specifically).

In general, you should be able to inspect (which is not the same as obtaining a copy) the financial records of the Association (check book register, receipts, bank statements, financial reports) but not the ledger of assessment payments for any lot other than your own.

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Posted By LanceS1 on 03/20/2013 7:42 AM

As I would like to see the cash flow and financial state of our association.

Typically a simple income and expense statement should be enough to satisfy a typical request (as it would show the amount of deposits made to the accounts and the amount of the expenses paid out). Our Association has this statement broken down by months and use the budget to summarize the data for a yearly basis.

Our bank statements do not show who paid and by how much. However, if your statements show this information (perhaps due to direct transfers between accounts) I can understand your Associations concerning in violating the privacy of other members (as this could show who has paid and who hasn't).

Perhaps you can come to a compromise with the Association.

I would suggest that you send a letter indicating that you understand their concern and that you have no desire to learn who has or hasn't paid. Suggest that a compromise would be if they would provide copies of the statements with any owner/lot information blacked out but maintain the dates and amounts of the deposits.

If your Association is not self managed, you may be required to pay for the labor involved to make those modifications to the statements.

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Posted By LanceS1 on 03/20/2013 7:42 AM

Is this correct? I live in Maryland. Thanks again for your help!

You don't mention if your in a COA or HOA.
Therefore I'll provide the links for both:

Maryland Homeowners Association Act
Maryland Condominium Act
Maryland Corporate Statutes applicable if your Association is incorporated

You can access all of MD statutes at http://www.lexisnexis.com/hottopics/mdcode/

Question:

If you care to share, what is it you are looking for or suspect (incorrect deposits, incorrect expenditures, etc.)? I ask because more specific information may provide better advice/opinions.
LanceS1 (Maryland)
Posts: 11
Posted:
What I am looking for is when we settled on our home we were required to pay $1,000 as an initiation fee to the HOA. Of the $1,000 $500 went to the sub association and $500 went to the master association. I am trying to find a paper trail on that money. So far I have been unsuccessful. I have a feeling that the builder or developer some how ended up with all of our initiation fees. The builder has since pulled out of the community over a year ago and the developer declared bankruptcy. We are dealing with a property management company L&N who doesn't seem to have our best interests in mind and over charges in my opinion.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Bank statements likely wouldn't show that information.

When our Association receives checks from a closing company, they are simply deposited with other checks into our operating account. The statement may or may not show that x amount was transferred to another account. However, it certainly wouldn't indicate if it was your money or a neighbors (especially if we only transfer it once every other month or so). The only documentation I could provide you would be an entry on the ledger for your Account showing that x amount was owed and x amount received.

Therefore, I'm not sure that what your asking for can actually be provided.

I would simply ask for that information -
documentation that the $1,000 was received and check numbers or dates of transfers to show that it went to the appropriate accounts.

LanceS1 (Maryland)
Posts: 11
Posted:
Tim,

Thanks again for all your help! I Have been receiving check register reports from the agent at the property management company and have looked at the cash and lock box deposits from the months my building has settled and months after and I still haven't seen deposits that would indicate the money ever entered the HOA? 7 units settled when I moved in, which should show $7,000 being deposited or at least $3,500 into each sub association plus our 2 or 3 months of prepaid HOA dues at $75 a month.
LanceS1 (Maryland)
Posts: 11
Posted:
I think I found it finally. It's hard to tell when you have checks that are all deposited as one.
LanceS1 (Maryland)
Posts: 11
Posted:
Anyone happen to know of a good property management company in maryland that is reasonable and fair?
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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What's reasonable to one may be excessive to someone else. It may be best for your board to determine what they want the manager to do, get an estimate and check out their references before making a decision. You might also poll the homeowners to see what they like and don't like about the current manager, if there is one, then have a meeting with them to discuss the problems. Give them a chance to resolve the problems within a certain time limit and go from there. If you do switch companies, be sure you have a transition plan to ensure you get all the records

(Before I moved to my HOA, it had two companies prior to our current one and a lot of stuff got lost in translation)

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Lance

In an owner controlled HOA, the BOD hires/fires the property management company. In an HOA still controlled by the Declarant, the Declarant hires/fires the management company.

Are you an owner controlled HOA?

Thanks
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Actually, if the developer is declaring bankruptcy, you might want to organize the membership and petition the court for control of the Association now vs. after another developer meets the required build out.

Otherwise, I suspect that the court will appoint the management company to act in place of the board.

CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
So, Lance, is your HOA now controlled by the owners? And not the developer? Who hired your current MC? Was it a board composed of homeowners? Or the developer? Or the courts?
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
the management company does not have an obligation to supply documents

your Board of Directors DOES according to state law

send a certified return receipt requested letter to the corporation's Registered Agent requesting examination of any documents

then, and only then, will you have any actual legally enforceable recourse
PaN (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 9
Posted:
thats a good idea....what do you mean by Registering Agent?
LanceS1 (Maryland)
Posts: 11
Posted:
The property management company company was appointed by the developer/Ryan homes. Now that Ryan Homes is gone and so is the developer I think the bank (controls BOD) who owns the common areas and empty lots is in charge of appointing the management company (L&N). There is also another party involved (Landtech) whom, I was told is marketing our community to potential developers/builders.
LanceS1 (Maryland)
Posts: 11
Posted:
Sorry I wanted to edit my last post:

The property management company was appointed by the developer/Ryan homes. Now that Ryan Homes is gone and so is the developer I think the bank (controls BOD). The bank owns the common areas and empty lots is in charge of appointing the management company (L&N). There is also another party involved (Landtech) whom, I was told is marketing our community to potential developers/builders.
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
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all corporations are governed by the corporate law of their state

they are required to be registered with the 'secretary of state'

PA: https://www.corporations.state.pa.us/corp/soskb/csearch.asp

search for your hoa by it's EXACT name

state law requires:

a 'registered agent' for the corp.

and/or

an official registered address for mailings

THIS IS THE ONLY LEGALLY ACCEPTABLE PROOF OF NOTIFICATION
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
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after checking further

PA requires either a 'registered office' of its own, or one provided by 'approved vendors'

see the link to the PDF form:
http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt/gateway/PTARGS_0_160329_494366_0_0_18/1507-4144.pdf
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
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oops ...... brain .. is ..dying

MARYLAND !

http://www.sos.state.md.us/

similar system ... same principles
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
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The State of Maryland requires that all companies doing business within its borders designate a registered agent who can receive service of process on the company’s behalf. That registered agent must maintain a physical address in Maryland where the agent can be reached during normal business hours.


LanceS1 (Maryland)
Posts: 11
Posted:
The property developer is East Fields Development LLC and I did a judiciary case search on the Maryland data base to see what bank took over the development. I haven't found the case yet but in other cases In the area the bank has been Talbot bank with the same developer.
LanceS1 (Maryland)
Posts: 11
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Here is a website advertising my community by the receiver

https://www.landtechsc.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=149:-appointed-receiver-for-villages-at-aydelotte-farm-salisbury-maryland&catid=3:newsflash&Itemid=56
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
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you need to contact the Maryland Secretary of State and obtain the registered/resident agent info for your community HOA, Inc.

http://www.sos.state.md.us/
LanceS1 (Maryland)
Posts: 11
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Posted By TimB4 on 03/21/2013 7:22 AM
Lance,

Please read the Rules for Posting Messages

Sorry about that! Thanks for pointing that out. Can the moderators edit my posts?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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They can but I wouldn't worry about it at this time.
LanceS1 (Maryland)
Posts: 11
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Posted By JohnB26 on 03/21/2013 7:15 AM
you need to contact the Maryland Secretary of State and obtain the registered/resident agent info for your community HOA, Inc.

http://www.sos.state.md.us/

Thanks for the advice John! I put a voice mail in at the SOS office and hopefully they will get me the information I need!
ChristinaT3 (Georgia)
Posts: 2
Posted:
There are always exceptions. I tried to complain about my HOA through the Georgia Secretary of State's Office. The HOA is listed as a non-profit in the Bylaws. Other HOAs listed as non-profits are registered through the Secretary of State's office however when I called and spoke to a "Specialist" I was told registering with the SOS is voluntary and to check with the County Clerk's office to find out if the appropriate paperwork was filed.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Christina,

Welcome to the forum.

You gave some good advice.

Are you aware that the thread is almost three years old?

Typically, it's best not to reactivate old threads as the advice given in 2013 may be bad or invalid advice today. This can lead to confusion for those who don't notice the dates.

Tim

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