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MarcL3 (Maryland)
Posts: 5
Posted:
The fire marshal has ordered all balcony doors leading to the fire escapes to be fire rated. All unit owners must comply immediately and replace their existing doors. The Board has contracted for the purchase and installation of these doors without the unit holder's consent or review and is demanding the payment of the costs. Doors are generally considered part of each unit but we have a "safety" exclusion in our By-Laws that states items excluded from units (and thereby classified as common property) include "fixtures of any kind which are not removable without jeopardizing the soundness, safety or usefulness of other portions of the Condominium." It goes on to state that common elements are "any and all other items...necessary to the...safety of the several buildings."
How should these doors be classified?
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Here's a concept for you... Would it not be cheaper if you all pool your money together to buy and install these doors all at once rather than piece meal and buy them on your own. That is basically what it will all come down to. I think the best option here is for you all to group together to buy the necessary doors and have them installed by professionals.

A HOA is run and funded by it's members for it's members. So whatever the majority of you decide is the option to go with. I think it would be best to just pay the special assessment and get it over with myself.

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MarcL3 (Maryland)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Oops I left out a fact. Not all units have balconies with fire escapes requiring door replacement. It's roughly 50% of the units that are affected by the fire marshal's ruling.
FredS7 (Arizona)
Posts: 927
Posted:
You have quoted two excerpts, both of which support defining the doors as common elements. In that case it would be HOA responsibility to replace the doors. Since they are common elements there is justification for all units contributing to the cost.

MarcL3 (Maryland)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Thanks Fred, that's what I thought. Now, if the board insists that these clauses don't apply and that the doors are each balcony unit owner's responsibility, can the decision be appealed? Has anyone dealt with a similar situation? Also, can the board then insist that the unit owner buy the specific door and use the contracting company that the board selects? If the door is not common property should the unit owner be allowed to choose, assuming of course the door meets fire code regulations? Thank you.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Why are we intentionally trying to complicate things? It is just the best solution here is to have the HOA buy the doors with all the owner's pooled money and have them be consistent. What is so wrong with that? There are benefits for those who do not have the balcony doors as well. The doors are fire proof and will stop the fire from spreading and burning their units as well.

Why is it so hard to just accept that there is a special assessment required to purchase doors a fire marshall deemed a requirement? Seriously, it is just that important to stop putting any delays in this decision and just purchase the doors. You never know when those doors will be needed and the risk in the meantime ALL the owners are put at. Just because one or two people don't like the "HOA" telling them what to do or not giving them a "selection".

I've dealt with similar situations. It's just best to let the HOA do it's job and buy the doors because that decision effects everyone the same and it is a necessary evil. It's not like they are doing this to hurt anyone or cause financial heart ache. They are doing the right thing and providing some sort of safety for their membership. How hard is this just to say "Okay" too?

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MarcL3 (Maryland)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Brava MelissaP1! Well said. Just so I understand, you believe that ALL unit owners, not just those with balconies (and fire doors), should be assessed, correct? The issue we're having is that the board has deemed the doors as part and parcel of the balcony unit they lead from, instead of a common element for which all will benefit in case of fire. Thank you for your response.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Marc

I am confused about the location/use of these doors. Pleas explain better.

If the doors could be used by all and anyone to get to a fire escape/emergency exit, then there is no question in my mind the association should be paying for the replacement doors and splitting the cost between all owners.

The issue might be the same as if say each unit had a door(s) leading to their private balcony and the doors started leaking. Who would be responsible for door replacement. The unit owner or the HOA? Does not the unit owners responsibilty end at their interior walls?

Hope this helps.

MarcL3 (Maryland)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Hi John, thanks for jumping in. It's my fault for not being as clear as possible. I'm trying to walk a fine line between giving enough information and not being verbose. The doors ARE NOT accessible by everyone, if so I agree with you there would be no issue-common element-case closed.

In the past, door replacement/repair was never clearly defined. Each new board would handle as they saw fit. Some unit owners replaced their own doors while others were replaced using condo funds. There was no rhyme or reason and there are numerous door styles and colors throughout the development. There was NEVER any stated, implied nor enforced requirement for fire resistant doors to be used.

The current issue arose when the fire marshal made an inspection and mandated fire resistant doors and hardware to be installed on every door leading from the balconies to the outdoor fire escapes.

I contend that this mandate caused the "safety exclusion" clauses I cited in my opening post to apply. The doors can not be removed without jeopardizing safety (by order of the fire marshal) therefore they are common elements therefore all unit owners should be responsible for their cost. It's logic to me, however the board disagrees and says only the unit owners with balconies/doors should pay.

Am I any clearer or did I muddy it up more? I can provide more info, just keep asking (smile).
FredS7 (Arizona)
Posts: 927
Posted:
> The issue might be the same as if say each unit had a door(s) leading to their private balcony and the doors started leaking. Who would be responsible for door replacement. The unit owner or the HOA? Does not the unit owners responsibilty end at their interior walls?

Not necessarily. Common elements are defined in the CC&Rs. Common elements are maintained by the association. The question is not what is "fair" to a particular owner, the question is what that owner contractually agreed to.

> Now, if the board insists that these clauses don't apply and that the doors are each balcony unit owner's responsibility, can the decision be appealed?

There is no court of appeal for HOAs. Your appeal options are (1) an appeal to reason, (2) action in civil court; and (3) voting out the board.
SamE2 (New Jersey)
Posts: 310
Posted:
How long have the doors been in place and why is the fire marshall requiring them to be replaced? I would challenge the need to replace them if they were there for years. If indeed they need to be replaced I would assess all units equally regardless if they had a door or not. The only way I wouldn't is the door was damaged as a result of negligence.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
This is an old post from 2013.

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