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PaulG8 (Louisiana)
Posts: 3
Posted:
How to handle a HOA that has lost its way due to so much fighting years ago.

It was a new subdivision with only 64 homes.

Small group of homeowners tried to form an association in 2005, made some progress, but due to fighting and threating legal action from about five home owners, no one ran for reelection again.

So for about two or three years no HOA at all.

Then two or three guys walked around with a clipboard and got a majority of signatures that "made" them the HOA in 2007.

They had no regular meeting, no other elections since their original terms, no by laws, no votes on actions, and no other officers.

Now it is down to just one "board" member and he still runs it with no meetings, no by laws, no votes, nothing but what he wants to do.

In fact without any meetings he just took down our street signs and replaced them with 13K of metal signs.

People in the subdivision are getting fed up, some are not paying the fees.

How do we handle this? Is this a legal HOA?

Thank you.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Paul,

Your post leaves many questions, perhaps based on the terminology you are using.

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Posted By PaulG8 on 03/18/2013 10:08 AM

Small group of homeowners tried to form an association in 2005

This sentence is indicating that you had no Association.

However, Associations are created by the Deed Restrictions (aka the CC&Rs or the Declaration of Covenants). Does your property, and your neighbors, have deed restrictions?

The power and authority of the Association is exercised by the Board of Directors.
Having nobody serving on the Board doesn't mean that you have no Association. It just means that you have no Board of Directors making decisions for the Association.

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Posted By PaulG8 on 03/18/2013 10:08 AM

but due to fighting and threating legal action from about five home owners, no one ran for reelection again.

Ah, so you are talking about not having a Board of Directors.

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Posted By PaulG8 on 03/18/2013 10:08 AM

So for about two or three years no HOA at all.

OR are you saying that you never had an Association?

I hope you see the confusion I'm trying to express.

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Posted By PaulG8 on 03/18/2013 10:08 AM

Then two or three guys walked around with a clipboard and got a majority of signatures that "made" them the HOA in 2007.

I'm expecting that this made them the Board of Directors for the Association.
Am I correct with this expectation?

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Posted By PaulG8 on 03/18/2013 10:08 AM

They had no regular meeting, no other elections since their original terms, no by laws, no votes on actions, and no other officers.

Now it is down to just one "board" member and he still runs it with no meetings, no by laws, no votes, nothing but what he wants to do.

In fact without any meetings he just took down our street signs and replaced them with 13K of metal signs.

People in the subdivision are getting fed up, some are not paying the fees.

How do we handle this? Is this a legal HOA?

Thank you.


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Posted By PaulG8 on 03/18/2013 10:08 AM

They had no regular meeting, no other elections since their original terms, no by laws, no votes on actions, and no other officers.

They should have had meetings.
They should have had elections.
They may or may not have made decisions.
The Board should have appointed Officers.

Let me try and explain a few things.

IF your property has deed restrictions and/or identifies common area (green spaces, streets, parking lots, etc.) or amenities (playgrounds, clubhouse, pool, etc.) then the deed restrictions likely created an Association to oversee and maintain these common areas and/or amenities.

Homeowner Associations are governed by a chain of governing documents and laws.
The governing documents include:
The Deed Restrictions (CC&Rs)
The Articles of Incorporation (if the Association is incorporated)
The Bylaws
Resolutions (formal decisions of the Board of Directors).

The Board of Directors exercise the authority and the power of the Association by making the decisions on what assessments will be, what the money will be spent on, what contracts to award, etc.

The Board will usually appoint individuals (typically from amongst themselves) to serve as Officers. The Officers carry out the day to day tasks of running the Association (collect and deposit money, pay bills, organize meetings, oversee contracts, etc.).

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Posted By PaulG8 on 03/18/2013 10:08 AM

Now it is down to just one "board" member and he still runs it with no meetings, no by laws, no votes, nothing but what he wants to do.

The Board and Officers of the Association should be complying with the governing documents. If they do not, then it's up to the membership (the rest of the homeowners) to make sure that they do. This might be done by asking questions, replacing the board or, in worst cases, going through the courts.

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Posted By PaulG8 on 03/18/2013 10:08 AM

In fact without any meetings he just took down our street signs and replaced them with 13K of metal signs.

That would typically be a decision handled at the Board level.

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Posted By PaulG8 on 03/18/2013 10:08 AM

People in the subdivision are getting fed up, some are not paying the fees.
How do we handle this? Is this a legal HOA?

Is it legal, probably.
Is it being ran properly, based on your posts - I doubt it.

What can you do about it -

1) Offer to serve on the Board and be part of the decision process.

2) Offer to organize a meeting of the general membership so elections can be held. If there is only one person on the board it could be that they simply have too much work to do and some things are dropped. It shouldn't happen but it does. This is why I suggest that you offer to help with the work load.

3) Encourage others to serve on the Board.

4) Worst case, if nobody wants to serve on the Board, petition the courts for receivership. It's not the best option as assessments will go up to pay for the receiver (the individual who the court places in charge to straighten things out)

5) Read and understand your governing documents.

6) Participate in the process by serving on committees, serving on the Board, offering to help, talk with the neighbors and gather support. etc.

I hope this helps,

Tim
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
My question is if you have a HOA what would it be responsible for? Is it roads, a pool, a clubhouse, tennis courts, lawncare, or any common property??? A HOA is formed for financial reasons to maintain a shared element. Even if it is the entrance sign.

I question about the roads because when we turned over our roads to the city/public we had to get of our personalized wood signs and have the city's metal signs. So that makes me question what your HOA covers.

Former HOA President
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Paul,

Tim's comments are right on the money.

Perhaps the most crucial question is whether there were any restrictions in effect when you purchased your home? Looking at your deed should answer this question; if the deed says something like "subject to the restrictions recorded" with a reference to where the restrictions are found, then there are some restrictions and you need to find out what those restrictions are.

If there are no restrictions or if the restrictions do not require membership in an association, then you cannot be forced to become a member of an association without your consent. If there is no mandatory membership in an HOA, then what these others have formed is essentially a voluntary civic improvement association.
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Say, paul, without an actual board of directors, who are you sending your fees to? Do you have a property manager? What size is your HOA?
PaulG8 (Louisiana)
Posts: 3
Posted:
yes we had deed restrictions, but no one enforces them, even though we have a property manager.

We have not had any type of real HOA since 95, since then its been nothing but fighting and no one wants anything to do with being on the HOA. We only have 64 homes.

For the past three years we have only had "one BOD" with no meetings, no votes, no anything, in over a year, he runs the "HOA" as if he is the King of our subdivision and does whatever he wants... including replacing all the street signs in our Sub. at a cost of 13K with no meeting or votes.

Really this is legal, this is binding to all of us???
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
One of Tim's points, Paul, is to get the language right so that we're all on the same page.

It does sound like your do have an HOA (Homeowners Association). So the way to rephrase what you wrote is: "We have a board of directors (BOD), but no one wants to serve on it."

What your HOA does not seem to have is a board of directors (BOD); instead there's just one guy who's ruling. You need to read your governing documents and either your Conditions, Covenants & Restrictions (CC&Rs) or your bylaws will state how many should serve on the board of directors--probably 3. How conduct elections. Whether or not you mist belong to your HOA. Your prop. mgr. should be able to help you understand these documents.

But, as Tim suggests, you need to take action--no state official is going to save your HOA and put things right. It's up to you and your neighbors--worst case scenario is a bunch of you chip in together and get advice from an HOA attorney for an hour.

According to your deed restrictions--CC&Rs or whatever, what, to follow up on Melissa's questions do your dues pay for? My own question: Who do you send them to?

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