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DavidJ (Indiana)
Posts: 6
Posted:
At our annual homeowners meeting one of our deeded homeowner brought her elderly father along as he lives with her. During the course of the meeting he began intterrupting and asking questions about nearly every single agenda item that was not to his liking. He let everyone know that he as a former executive of a major labor union that we didn't meet his standards when it came to running this association or this meeting.

His rude behaviour caught the entire Board totally off guard. In hindsight,should we have called him out of order as he is not the deeded homeowner but merely an observer of the proceedings? If he had questions shouldn't he write them down and give them to his daughter first so that she would be one to present them as the deeded homeowner?

I welcome suggestions on how our Board should deal with this in the future?
MikeS1
Posts: 668
Posted:
There's been a lot of previous postings on this issue. Some will advocate that a non-owner/renter can speak at the Board Meeting, but our convenants specifically say that they can only address the board with written permission of the owner. Now the Board is there to conduct Board Business and not there to converse or interact with all the resident members. We generally leave a segment of 30 minutes at the end of the meeting where they can say their peace for 3 minutes. They have to sign in before the meeting and identify themselves. If the elderly gentlemen wants to be involved at this level, then he needs to run for office, I say. In a lot of states, a non-owner resident can be a board member (maybe not president), if he/she resides with the owner and the owner provides permision to them to do so. If the member's have complaints that the Board has not heard previously, this isn't really a good format for the compliants. They should document their concerns and put them in writing. Generally Roberts Rules would circumvent this problem and nip it in the bued.
JamesC (Maryland)
Posts: 282
Posted:
David:

Welcome to the forum:
You don't say where you are located, if your community is an HOA, or Condo. Different rule/regulations for differing states, associations.
Our private community does not permit other then Class A owners to address issues brought before the BOD for discussion.
Homeowners coming through the door are asked to sign in and list their address. We can verify if they are renters/homeowners or others. Renters may attend the meetings, but since the board has no authority over them, "but their landlord" they are also prevented from addressing the board on community matters. If renters have issues with the community, they must go through the homeowner.
In your circumstance and as a member of the board, I would have had the chair person remind the homeowner that the father is NOT permitted to speak on community matters unless his name is on the deed.
Other advice from other posters of this forum will more then likely have different policies, but those are the ones we follow under our covenents in Maryland.

Jim
MikeS1
Posts: 668
Posted:
David - B.T.W., We're in Virginia and I would suggest that the agenda items be set well in advance of the meeting. I really don't believe in homeowners bringing new issues through the door (just prior to the meeting). If they want to get an issue on the agenda, they should write or email the Board well in advance of the meeting and it's up to the Board to make the decision if it winds up the agenda for this month.
DavidJ (Indiana)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Thank you for your feedback, it is genuinely appreciated. We are a 5 member Board in charge of an HOA in located in Northwest,Indiana - 30 miles from downtown Chicago. We have 173 homeowners in our community.

Castlewood Property Owners Association
WilliamT (Arizona)
Posts: 489
Posted:
Posted By DavidJ on 03/05/2007 11:49 AM

At our annual homeowners meeting one of our deeded homeowner brought her elderly father along as he lives with her. During the course of the meeting he began intterrupting and asking questions about nearly every single agenda item that was not to his liking. He let everyone know that he as a former executive of a major labor union that we didn't meet his standards when it came to running this association or this meeting...

...I welcome suggestions on how our Board should deal with this in the future?


Our Bylaws state that a member OR a representative of the member may speak at a meeting. The homeowner must provide written authorization for the representative to speak. That is a simple piece of paper stating that John Doe authorizes Jane Lamb to speak as representative of the homeowner. Both the representative and the homeowner may not speak. Only one of them.

Your bylaws probably says the same. Have the president stick to that.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
David, your By-laws may address your question. Otherwise, the Board can establish procedures to follow at an annual members meeting. First, only members should be able to make motions if allowed under the agenda or by the Chair. Next under discussion it is up to the Chair to allow members (or their representatives) to speak and a time limit and number of times can be established by the Chair.

In your example the Chair could have chosen not to acqnowkedge the non member which means they would be prevented from speaking except when they spoke after the daughter acknowledged the father was speaking as her respresentative. IOW the Chair was not experienced and failed to do their job effectively or else this would not have occured.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I would suggest announcing at the beginning of the meeting the meeting's agenda. That agenda is most likely already in your By-laws/CC&R's. Then say that to reduce meeting times ALL questions will be answered on an "Open Forum" basis at the end of the meeting. Assign a specific time limit for this. Something like 2 -5 minutes for question/response for each homeowner. Whatever seems comfortable.
It may not go over so well at first. However, emphasis the fact that business MUST be covered by the board before questions can be addressed. This is a BOARD meeting and the other members are welcome to the meeting. However, first and foremost the board must discuss issues amongst themselves. I would even include setting time limits for board members as well for question/response.
Meetings are hard to handle in a HOA. Learning and following the correct protocol is the utmost important to get things done. I'd suggest going to a city council meeting and seeing how they handle their meetings. They are much similar to your HOA's meetings. You may find some ideas there. Plus you get more involved in your city.

Former HOA President
DwightT (Idaho)
Posts: 664
Posted:
Posted By MelissaP1 on 03/06/2007 10:26 PM
It may not go over so well at first. However, emphasis the fact that business MUST be covered by the board before questions can be addressed. This is a BOARD meeting and the other members are welcome to the meeting. However, first and foremost the board must discuss issues amongst themselves. I would even include setting time limits for board members as well for question/response.


A couple of people have responded about BOARD meeting protocols, but David stated in the original post that this was a problem at a HOMEOWNERS meeting.

With that in mind, would the response be any different? In other words, Melissa - would you still limit homeowner comments to the end of the meeting or are homeowners allowed to comment on agenda topics as they come up during the meeting?

WilliamT (Arizona)
Posts: 489
Posted:
In AZ homeowners are allowed to comment on issues under debate by the board, prior to the board taking their vote; and they are allowed to comment again during a homeowner forum.

The law allows the board to determine when that forum is, the length of it, and to limit the number of speakers on one subject and the time the speaker is allotteed.

Our meetings are scheduled for 90 minutes. On our agenda we show the time allotted for each portion of the meeeting, as a guide to help us keep on schedule.

We hold our forum last, and schedule 20 minutes for it (20 out of 90 is reasonable). We tell the people that we hold it last because their questions may be answered during the business portion of the meeting, and that will save everyone time.

That explanation, which is true, is easier for people to accept than to say this is a board meeting for board business. That can irritate some.

If we finish the business early, then that gives more time for the forum.
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
We allow our homeowners to comment as well on board issues and honestly we have not had any issues with that format. I want them to feel involved and like they have a say and no one has abused this. We have had some heated opinions, but everyone has been well behaved. If a topic is dragging on for what seems like a long time we will cut off discussion and move to a board vote.

At the end of the meeting we allow time for homeowner questions and comments. I guess we don't have a specific amount of time as we typically don't get many questions. Our board meetings usually last an hour once every other month.

I know Roberts Rules don't call for homeowners to speak during the board session, but my thought is we have such apathy in our neighborhood that I want them to feel involved. We can limit time or not allow it if it becomes an issue at a later date.

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