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MikeS1
Posts: 668
Posted:
We know that the non-resident absentee owner is bound by the Covenants and that we don't have a lot of control over the tenant's behavior; but here's my question. When a tenant consistantly violates the convenants, we usually just send a letter to the absentee owner. Wouldn't you think that it would be prudent to cc: the renter on these letters??? What's common practice?
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Mike, your HOA may chose to sent up procedures which will provide some control over renters. Granted the owner is the responsible party. But you can require rental agreements be approved by your Board and include items required by the Board. You can set up stiff penalties for the owner and include what actions shall automatically terminate a rental agreement. I think it is a good idea to include renters in association activities and would send a copy of each correspondence on problems to the renter.
MikeS1
Posts: 668
Posted:
Mike, your HOA may chose to sent up procedures which will provide some control over renters. Granted the owner is the responsible party. But you can require rental agreements be approved by your Board and include items required by the Board. You can set up stiff penalties for the owner and include what actions shall automatically terminate a rental agreement. I think it is a good idea to include renters in association activities and would send a copy of each correspondence on problems to the renter.

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Roger, Thanks for the sound suggestions. Your last sentence is what I was looking forward to seeing. We are in fact in the process of working with our attorney and PM, in order to revamp DUE PROCESS. Right now, there are too many letters going back and forth. I would like to stiffen up penalties but I think that we're limited by the Virginia Property Owners' Association Act, Va. Code Ann. §§55-508 to 55-516.2. (http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+55-513). The amount of any charges so assessed shall not be limited to the expense or damage to the association caused by the violation, but shall not exceed fifty dollars for a single offense or ten dollars per day for any offense of a continuing nature and shall be treated as an assessment against the member's lot for the purposes of § 55-516. And so... 55-513. Adoption and enforcement of rules. However, the total charges for any offense of a continuing nature shall not be assessed for a period exceeding ninety days. After the date a lawsuit is filed challenging any such charges, no additional charges shall accrue. If the court rules in favor of the association, it shall be entitled to collect such charges from the date the action was filed as well as all other charges assessed pursuant to this section against the lot owner prior to the action.

I am going to research "what actions shall automatically terminate a rental agreement." That would be very interesting and effective if implemented.

I keep reminding myself that VA is commonwealth and not a state. Oh well.

JM2 (Oregon)
Posts: 439
Posted:
Hi Mike:

Some options to pursue with your lawyer and management company:
1) Require a clause in leases/rental contracts that violation of the covenants is an automatic default of the lease. This allows the owner to pursue eviction if needed (up to the owner to pursue it or not).
2) Require owners to submit a copy of lease to management, along with contact information and a form (signed by the lessee) that they have read through the restrictions, understand them and will follow them.
3) Suggest to owners a clause in the lease that if a violation results in fines, the cost will be passed along to the lessee (saves the owner the headache of the fines).
4) Require owners with rental units to provide emergency contact numbers for either themselves or their rental manager. Then, when there's a violation, call first and follow up with a violation letter.
5) Require names/contact information of renters to be submitted by rental owners.
6) Send a copy of violation letters to renters (if needed, with the owner's contact info blacked out) and a copy to any rental manager.
7) If possible/legal, amend the documents to restrict the percentage of rental units in order to preserve the ability to secure preferred (FHA/Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac) financing. Your community won't qualify if the percentage of rentals gets too high; it then qualifies as an investment property rather than strictly residential. It's important to do this prior to the percentage of rentals getting so large that you can't get the required percentage of yes votes to pass an amendment.

J. Patrick Moore, CMCA
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
This may be all a bunch of overkill. As someone who did rent out my HOA property, I can tell you the nightmare tenants I had. However, you will find that tenants have rights to that the owner can't violate. It can take 6 months to a year to evict someone! So don't assume the absentee owner isn't doing anything. It's their property and they are paying for it. Do you think they aren't upset and frustrated by having a bad tenant?
My renter didn't pay rent for 5 months! He moved a baby emu in the backyard and told the HOA landscapers NOT to mow! He also owned motorcycles and often worked on them in my house and the yard! The grease/oil stains never got out of the carpet! You can just imagine my anger plus having to be delivered letters from the HOA about his behavior. I was completely legally helpless.
In my state, you give a renter 1 ten day notice to vacate the premises. A second 10 day notice is issued after that is up in order to actually vacate. The notices don't count weekends nor holidays! The renter does have the right to PROTEST the notices and respond in the court. If they do "protest", they are given another 10 day extension for a possible resolution. If there is NO resolution, the process starts all over again. That means that legally a tenant could stay several months in your property without paying rent and get away with it. As long as they keep responding to the notices properly. It took me over 2 months of notices to get my tenant out. I finally had to get the Sheriff's department to kick them out. (I had put a for sale sign up in the yard to encourage them to move out). That finally worked but still never got paid my rent. Had to take them to small claims court where I won a judgement. Still NOT paid!
If your worried about renters, give more power to the owner's to be able to control their renters. Owner's have issues too with their tenants that laws protect. So you may want to find out if the owner is truly an "absentee" owner who is getting the notices and ignoring them or an owner who is dealing with the legal system to remove the tenant. I would also strongly suggest you make sure you have the correct legal address of the absentee owner. Technically, it can still be the address in the HOA's which where the tenant is living. I would try to send notices to BOTH places. That way the tenant is also aware the owner knows what is going on.

Former HOA President
HaroldS1 (Arizona)
Posts: 314
Posted:
Excuse me Roger and J. Patrick, but does Mike's board have the authority to make these rental "rules" you are telling him to make? Doesn't rental controls have to be addressed in the CC&Rs before they have the power to make such rules and assess fines and terminate leases? All Mike asked was if it was a good idea to cc the renter with a violation notice. And you guys have him making all sorts of rules and regulations controlling rentals that he probably has no authority to do. Bottom line: The board's contract is with the owners. Unless spelled out in the CC&Rs, the board cannot get involved with owner/tenant relations. They already have the tools to go after the owner for any and all violations of the CC&Rs by the tenant. I can't believe any volunteer board would want to get involved with approving leases, keeping tabs on and ejecting tenants.
So tell me: If the CC&Rs doesn't address street parking, can a board make "rules" forbidding street parking and assess fines for doing so? I don't think so. Harold
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Posted By HaroldS1 on 03/05/2007 6:29 PM
Excuse me Roger and J. Patrick, but does Mike's board have the authority to make these rental "rules" you are telling him to make? Doesn't rental controls have to be addressed in the CC&Rs before they have the power to make such rules and assess fines and terminate leases?

I agree the CC&Rs should be amended when necessary. As I stated "your HOA may chose to sent up procedures which will provide some control over renters." I didn't say the Board should do it; only that "require rental agreements be approved by your Board and include items required by the Board." I do believe the Board can pass Rules defining the details as allowed by the CC&Rs.

GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Or in Ohio if the owner cannot control their tenant the BOD can:
To initiate eviction proceedings, pursuant to Chapters 5321 and 1923 of the Revised Code, to evict a tenant. The action shall be brought by the Association, as the Unit Owner’s Agent, in the name of the Unit Owner. In addition to any procedures required by Chapters 5321 and 1923 of the Revised Code, the Association shall give the Unit Owner at least ten days written notice of the intended eviction action. The costs of any eviction action, including reasonable attorney’s fees, shall be charged to the Unit Owner and shall be the subject of a special assessment against the offending Unit and made a lien against that Unit.

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JM2 (Oregon)
Posts: 439
Posted:
Hello Harold:

The Board has a fiduciary duty with regard to the owners and keeping property values as high as possible. Some association documents contain rental restrictions and others (especially older ones) may not. Most documents allow the Board to pass resolutions that are binding on the members, that relate to restrictions in the CC&R's.

Some rules would be made by resolution and others would be by an amendment. A self-managed board has a duty to get educated on these issues (particularly with regard to what their state requires/allows) and may need to seek out classes and/or legal counsel in some issues in order to fulfill their fiduciary duty, whereas a board that uses a manager can usually rely on the management company's advice on these issues.

If a board is self-managed, they take on a higher level of involvement in the day-to-day operations of the community, and some of these rental rules would put an additional burden on them. However, those that use a manager put this duty onto the manager for day-to-day operations.

J. Patrick Moore, CMCA
JM2 (Oregon)
Posts: 439
Posted:
Hi Melissa:

It sounds like rental ownership was something where you earned every cent you made (in some cases probably lost money). It sounds like your state laws governing leases need some adjustment to be more reasonable to the owners.

I speak from the "other side," having managed association where I dealt with both owners who self-managed their rentals as well as those who used an agent to manage the rental. The best solution I found was to try to communicate with rental owners and keep in contact with the owner as well as any rental agent involved. The more we kept communication open, the better things worked. However, some owners never responded to my efforts and that was very frustrating...especially since their renters were continually in violation.

Best of luck in your rentals...

J. Patrick Moore, CMCA
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Thanks! I was president of my HOA and had to deal with the rental situation. We had one house no one lived in for 10 years! It was built and abandoned. Brand new house! The owner's wanted to "hold onto it" for investment. Never rented it out. A realtor took me to look at it once. It had cobwebs, no air conditioning (90+ outside), and the roof leaked in the garage over the electrical panel! It was a mess. What I could I do about that situation? Force an owner to put people in it?
Yes, it is all about the communication and getting the right addresses of the owners. We had one guy who was illegally "squatting" on a property. The guy had moved into a house with his girlfriend, she moved out after their breakup. He didn't. She was the renter. The owner out of town, thought his renter had vacated the premises. Turns out the boyfriend with no lease was living there! The HOA was able to contact the owner, and the owner was able to not only kick the guy out, but was able to "sue" him in court. One of our board members was asked to testify to confirm the times the man was living in the house. The owner won.
So there are many more situations out there besides dealing with "Rental". If it's not one thing, it's another. Holding the owner's feet to the ground and informing them, is the best option. If the owner gets upset and stops paying the dues, the HOA can foreclose on the house leaving no option of renting or owning. That would get anyone's attention. Why then worry about making rules against renting if the HOA already has that power if dues aren't paid?
Besides rental restrictions falls with mortgage/loan companies. They put on the restriction of use of the property as rental.

Former HOA President

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