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LauraR5 (Tennessee)
Posts: 220
Posted:
I kind of want to see what other folks would do in this situation.

Our covenants state that the Association is responsible for the exteriors of the building, including painting, roofs, etc.
It also says if you paint the exterior of your home in the existing, approved color scheme you do not need an ARC request. The shutters and door of every home match and the color scheme alternates, i.e. one house has a black door and shutters, next door is maroon, next door is navy blue, etc.

This weekend, one of our neighbors apparently decided to have a DIY adventure, and I started getting complaints late last night. Apparently he painted his shutters black and his door bright white (which is only approved for trim). I went out before church and took some pictures and emailed them to the other board members and we have been going back and forth. None of us can remember if his house had black shutters before (I think they did, but I had to do Google Street View and it's hard to tell on there.) The black doesn't look bad to me, but the white is obnoxious. My suggestion was to tell him he had 30 days to paint the door to match the shutters since he obviously did both of them and white is not an approved door color.

I am just curious to see what your thoughts are on this. And, before anyone tells me I have too much time on my hands, I feel obligated as a board member to deal with an issue when neighbors complain. And, as hard as we all work to make our houses look nice and have good curb appeal in our neighborhood, this is an issue for us.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Sounds like a plan.

It also shows that your Association needs to get some architectural files (or update architectural files) so you have a reference of what the paint scheme is for each lot along with copies of all approved and disapproved change requests.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Laura

You are jumping around a bit.

Are you saying the doors and shutters must be painted the same color and the color from an approved color chart?

Can adjoining units use the same color?

Is the above in your docs?

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
John,

The way I'm reading Laura's posting is that the Association is responsible for the painting of the exterior. However, a member, if they desire, may paint the exterior of their unit, at their expense and without prior Association approval, providing the color is the existing color already on the unit.

This one member, changed the color scheme without prior approval.
The main issue of the change appears to be that the entrance door was painted white.

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Tim
I get the shutters one color and the door another color but the question is do the docs say shutters and doors must match? That was not made clear in the OP.

She said they do allow unit owners to paint as long as it is with an approved color so this implies they do not need ARC approval if they are going to use already approved colors.

Maybe they are approved colors thus back to must shutters and door match.

Even if they do allow people to paint, they should add that the ARC must still approve.

Could the white door be a primer coat?

LauraR5 (Tennessee)
Posts: 220
Posted:
When the units were built, every unit has doors that match the shutters. The colors alternate. There is at least black, navy blue and maroon, but there could be a brownish/greenish color too. It is hard to tell.

These are the two areas of the covenants that I feel cover this issue:
External yard maintenance and maintenance of exterior siding, including but not limited to painting of the homes, shall be the
responsibility of the Association.

No approval shall be required to repaint the exterior of a structure in accordance with the originally approved color scheme or to rebuild in accordance with originally approved plans and specifications.

That is all that's written on the issue. To me, that means if you paint yourself, you can only paint the color that's already there. Our property manager said he is going to ask the homeowner to submit an ARC request and then we as a board can decide if we are going to make them fix it or let it stay.

My issue is two-fold. 1) Really I feel like we should have a list of the approved colors somewhere, not just for situations like this, but what happens when the HOA paints? 2) While some board members say they think the white door "looks fine," I don't want to send the message that it's OK to just paint your house whatever color you want.
KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
Posted:
Sounds to me like they had used the approved color scheme. I would think for this matter to be enforceable the documents would need to be more specific.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
We had a color sample block posted at the front entrance on display. We also had a color sample ring so we could hold it up against the house. It was well known that the trim could NOT be white but off-white. (Sawyer's fence color). The problem is that every few years the painting companies change their colors formulas or names. So after 10 years of the approved samples we had to get new ones. However, same process of approval and making available the samples to owners after they asked permission. Now a days that may be even easier as many paint stores offer electronic paint schemes as samples.

It is best to decide on one brand like Behr or have one back up one in the cheaper range. Just as long those brands offer similar colors. Belive me you will find out that "Copperhead red" is someone else's "Home brick Red". So try your best to get the exact formula than the color name.

To further complicate things we later allowed people to install vinyl siding. Those too come with approved colors. We had to include those as examples. It is a bit easier with vinyl if you do approve it. It has come a long way but colors are less varied.

Just get a committee together and work with a paint expert. Sherwin Williams may help provide some expertise. See what already exists and what colors those are. You may have to modify the existing colors due to expiration. Keep in mind that fresh paint changes colors and will fade out. So don't necessarily think someone applied the wrong color and check the can instead for the formula.

Former HOA President
LauraR5 (Tennessee)
Posts: 220
Posted:
The documents aren't very specific. And, as far as I know, the builder didn't leave us a list of the colors they used. To me, though, common sense would dictate if no one out of 236 units had a white door and every single door matched its shutters that you would realize that was the approved color scheme.

It's kind of a catch-22. Our shutters are starting to fade with the sun and I would like to have them repainted, but there are roof repairs that need to be made first and, like most people here, our builder left our reserves woefully underfunded when they gave us control. I do appreciate that the homeowner painted the shutters, but I just don't understand why he didn't paint the door the same color. And I surely don't want a lot of white doors around here.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Doors are hard to paint. Maybe they decided not to paint it. If they are metal on the outside it can take several coats to get it to look decent. I know I really hated painting doors when I volunteered at Habitat. Truly a pain in the tushy.

There is a saying about what color you paint your front door. The color is to reflect your personality. I am not sure what all the colors mean and I am sure there is a website for it. The color of the door is not necessarily related to the color of the rest of your house. Red doors have a meaning as do blue, green, and even white. Although I think white doors mean you didn't want to paint the door...

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