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PamS10 (California)
Posts: 11
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I live in CA in a 36 unit Condo. I was sent a special assessment, along with regular assessment increase letter in November. Amounts of each followed Davis - Sterling. The Browning Reserve Study was included as well. The RS indicates our reserve account to at 50.6% funded and not in need of a special assessment at this time. The letter from the BOD says the assessment is for repairs and maintenance of major components. Monies to be held in reserve account. Letter did not have any contractor bids, etc. I wrote letter to BOD questioning this assessment and received return call from Management Co. telling me I should have come to November meeting. Also, we have a pool and a pond that are expensive to maintain between 36 members. I have lived here 6.5 years my dues have gone up with no explanation every year. They are $487.00, $50. of that is special assessment. Management Co says that will most likely continue on through 2014. I live in Stockton, CA.. We pay the highest dues of anyone in the city.

I have also asked the BOD to apply for FHA funding and Management Co said our reserves war too low. I wrote another letter letting them that is not the case. Now their answer is we have a special assessment. I have researched this and apparently you can get it done with a special assessment. Any thoughts ??

I want to sell my unit. This BOD has been in charge since I have lived here and obviously have full control and no fiduciary relationship whatsoever. I feel like I am stuck. No one will want to buy with these high HOA's. I was told by one of the Board members that last year the Board spent $8,000. going to Attorney to see how they could make the members pay for more things around here. This is not even in the budget!!!!!

Please advise!!!

Thank you,

Pam
JonD1
Posts: 2,350
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Posted By PamS10 on 03/03/2013 11:01 AM
I live in CA in a 36 unit Condo. I was sent a special assessment, along with regular assessment increase letter in November. Amounts of each followed Davis - Sterling. The Browning Reserve Study was included as well. The RS indicates our reserve account to at 50.6% funded and not in need of a special assessment at this time. The letter from the BOD says the assessment is for repairs and maintenance of major components. Monies to be held in reserve account. Letter did not have any contractor bids, etc. I wrote letter to BOD questioning this assessment and received return call from Management Co. telling me I should have come to November meeting. Also, we have a pool and a pond that are expensive to maintain between 36 members. I have lived here 6.5 years my dues have gone up with no explanation every year. They are $487.00, $50. of that is special assessment. Management Co says that will most likely continue on through 2014. I live in Stockton, CA.. We pay the highest dues of anyone in the city.

I have also asked the BOD to apply for FHA funding and Management Co said our reserves war too low. I wrote another letter letting them that is not the case. Now their answer is we have a special assessment. I have researched this and apparently you can get it done with a special assessment. Any thoughts ??

I want to sell my unit. This BOD has been in charge since I have lived here and obviously have full control and no fiduciary relationship whatsoever. I feel like I am stuck. No one will want to buy with these high HOA's. I was told by one of the Board members that last year the Board spent $8,000. going to Attorney to see how they could make the members pay for more things around here. This is not even in the budget!!!!!

Please advise!!!

Thank you,

Pam

As you are in California I would assume your Board holds open monthly meetings. Correct? And did you in fact attend the November meeting when you recieved this notice? How about December? January? February? Over the 6.5 years how often have you attended meetings.

The Board is elected? If so that would suggest the others owners are either happy with the job they are doing OR have no idea what the Board is doing and just mail in more money when requested.

How old is the property? What projects does the Board plan to take on with this new money? Is there a real need for this work to be done? All questions that would need to be answered.

Your amount of monthly payments cannot be compared with other properties as each is different with different costs, histories and issues. Whether the $400+ you now pay is fair, accepatable or justified impossible to really tell minus any real facts as the the property's financials.

And is it you now suggest the Board has no fiduciary "relationship" what does that mean exactly? Are you suggesting their plan is to ruin their own property? Destroy their own homes? Jack up their own costs and make worthless their investments?

And the Board member who told you about the $8,000 spent to squeeze more mioney out of the owners (forgetting they too are owners) what did this person do while this terrible activity was going on? Have you seen the invoices fo0r these services? Is it listed as "legal conference to jack up owners fees"? Why OH why would a Board member wish to pay more than necessary? Do Board members in fact pay dues and assessments?

My suggestion gather facts and knowledge not assumptions and gossip. Require the Board member back up what they claim has happened if not you might find yourself played for a fool. And as suggested make the time, find the time to attend the monthly meetings maybe you might be provided an explanation to you concerns and accusations....

PamS10 (California)
Posts: 11
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In reply, the Board holds only 6 meetings per year. Yes I have been to some meetings. No, not all members here are happy, but take a rather laid-back attitude as change never happens. A lot residents have been here since conception (22 plus years). I believe a lot will stay. Our Board is a "Good ol Boys Club" and one woman. The meetings can get completely out of hand. My understanding when a special assessment is issued is supposed to done for the exact amount for whatever is in need of repair. There are supposed to Contractor bids on file. This has not been done!! Not idle gossip!! These condos rarely go the market to sell, but I am going to want to sell mine. That is basically what the issue is here. I feel in this market my condo will not be marketable due to high dues and the lack of FHA funding being made available.
ElaineS2 (California)
Posts: 47
Posted:
Pam-
JonD is right.

The fact that your board holds 6 meetings per year tells me that they are probably following your bylaws. I know this because most property managers would push for the D-S bare minimum of 4 meetings/year for a CID as small as yours.

Of course, a 36 unit CID is no prize for a PM Co., (they can charge a larger CID much more for almost the same amount of work) so they may be nickel and dime -ing your HOA.

BTW- there is a great article by Paul Collins about this topic which I can't find in the ECHO archives, but maybe someone knows where to find it. You, Pam, could likely get a copy for yourself if you email the author at Collins Management. I remember being surprised to find something so candid when I first read it. I would encourage you to find and read it as part of the education campaign you should undertake if you are truly interested in understanding the facts about how and why your condo Board does what they do.

If you are sure you can't find any mention of the alleged $8000 legal bill in the budget, you can always request the general ledger/cancelled check register under Civil Code ยง1365.2.

I would suspect, however that what you think you heard was exaggerated. There are many ways a board could legitimately spend thousands in legal fees, which could be described as an attempt to "make members pay for more things." What comes to mind immediately is a painstaking process of a formulating a maintenance matrix to outline exactly what is the responsibility of the HOA and what falls to the individual owners. In the long run this action could save tens or hundreds of thousands in disputed repair costs over time. Just a guess.

The bottom line is that your dues are high because your development is so small. But then, perhaps the size is why so many of the owners stay put. So it does not necessarily mean that a relatively high monthly assessment of $437 (without the temporary special assessment) is so high as to make your property unsell-able. It is unfortunate for you that you may have bought at a time when prices were so high that you'll have trouble recouping your investment and making profit if you sell now.

So stay put and learn as much as you can. Get yourself on the board after you have done so, and I think you may find that your BOD is doing a better job than you think.

Elaine

p.s.: I Can't remember where I saw this survey, but polling data reflects that in California, 50% funding of reserves puts your CID way ahead of the game relatively speaking. My daughter's HOA is only 22% funded and it's one of the most desirable in town to live in!

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Pam

Not to deviate but with only 36 units a case might be made for being self managed especially if few to no common amenities.

PamS10 (California)
Posts: 11
Posted:
Elaine , Thank you for your thoughts! i will check to see if i can get info from from Collins Mgt. You are so correct in being nickel and dimed from Mgt. We are charged $1250. per month and another $1800 annual for mailings. There is another Co. in town that charges a flat 625. to manage another condo project on a lake with 36 units. I asked the BOD to consider a move to this Co. after our management co. was found guilty of embezzlement of 1M . The Board would have nothing to do with it. For whatever reason they hooked to this Co. I cannot figure it out. Our city has filed for bankruptcy and and has been at one #1 in foreclosure so things are bleak here. I may not have a choice but to stay put.
John, your idea is a great idea and I believe has been suggested by other members in the past, but again they are stuck on this Co.

I do know they Mngt.Co was taking kickbacks from a plumbing co. because the plumber told me thats why they were here so often. So I went to a meeting and raised this notion and let them know i did not want them back on the property and they have never returned. NOT GOSSIP

I guess maybe it would be time to exercise my rights as Elaine suggested and examine checking accounts, etc.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Some expenses happens for a reason. The mailing costs being so high may be that you have a "mail happy" group in place. They may nelieve in mailing every little thing out. The other HOA not so much. Operation costs do differ based on how one operates the business. We barely had any lawyer bills at all for my HOA when I was president. I knew the laws and our laws so no need to hire lawyers. Other HOAs hire a lawyer just to ask them questions on everything. So part of the problem may be how your board handles their business. The MC is to do what they tell them to do.

Former HOA President
PamS10 (California)
Posts: 11
Posted:
I could only wish for a BOD that knew the laws and and covenants, that would be fabulous. Our Board relies on what the Management tells them what to do??? Go figure?? I have had to let the management co know what the CC&R's say...What a circus!!

I so appreciate all comments, thank you.
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
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These condos rarely go the market to sell, but I am going to want to sell mine.


Since you are going to sell soon, its pointless for you to get involved. But.... if you did want to stay and get involved, remember, the residents ALWAYS outnumber the board members. Simply hold your own resident meetings and vote in people that you agree will do what you want. Just vote em out! Paying a mgmt company to run 36 units is crazy. You could be running it yourself for free. At the most you could hire a book keeper for $200 month.

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