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SherryS2 (Washington)
Posts: 47
Posted:
My HOA’s BOD consists of 8 members with 5 being a quorum. There are 6 active members. The BOD held an e-mail vote yesterday in regards to releasing a lawsuit against me for dues and fees. We paid the dues and fees plus a late fee but they are not releasing the lawsuit because of the filing and service fees. I explained in previous posts the reason behind not paying the dues and fees. There are a couple of bullies on the board, they don’t treat members fairly, they practice selective enforcement among other things. I was just trying to get their attention. One of the inactive members e-mailed me and indicated that he would abstain from voting. The other inactive member suddenly became active again. I believe he was recruited by one of the bullies to ensure the quorum requirements were met. The results of the vote ended up 2 to release the suit and 5 to not release it. So if the inactive member had not voted, a quorum would not have been met. What is one to do?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Not voting on an issue is not the same thing as not attending the meeting.

A quorum is established by the attendance at a meeting (6 people show up to a meeting. 5 = quorum, quorum is met).

A decision is established by the number of yeas vs nays (6 people in attendance, 2 vote yea, 3 vote nay, 1 doesn't vote (abstains)). 2 yea, 3 nay, 1 abstention - motion fails.

By the way, can you confirm your numbers for me.
Per your post there is an 8 member board, 5=quorum, 7 voted (2 to release, 5 not to release). Therefore, it's not relevant if the inactive member hadn't shown up to vote as 7-1=6 and a quorum would have still been met.
SherryS2 (Washington)
Posts: 47
Posted:
Thanks Tim for the explanation on voting vs. attendance. Ha its my fuzzy math!

Sherry
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Sherry

Are you admitting you did not pay what was owed on purpose?
SherryS2 (Washington)
Posts: 47
Posted:
Yes. I explained that before. You may not agree with my method but that is what I did. My purpose was to force a small claims case against me and argue because of document expiry the HOA has no assessment rights. That is exactly what happened but decided to pay the dues and fees and try to help with the process of reinstatement by working together with my neighbors to accomplish the task. The same day I let them know I was going to pay the dues, I was served a small claims notice. They cashed the check but they refuse to release the lawsuit because they want me to pay the filing and service of process fees. I refused. This is what prompted the vote whether to release or not release the lawsuit. There are 2 BOD members who are bullies. They went around the neighborhood and made false statements about me, they have bullied others in the neighborhood, BOD members get special treatment, and I could go on.

In Iowa the Covenants have a 21 year time limit. Our subdivision's covenants expired in 1992 but the association has ignored that and has continued as usual because no one has challenged them on it except me. I didn't even realize it myself until a couple of years ago. These people are bullies and frankly I'm a little afraid of them but feel strongly that someone needs to step up and expose them for what they are doing. I have no money for an attorney. I have contacted the Iowa Attorney General but they said these are contract cases and there wasn't anything that they could help me with.

I am at a loss as what to do next. - Sherry

GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
I am at a loss as what to do next. - Sherry

PAY THE DAMN FEES!!!! You got what you wanted, now pay for it.
I don't know what the cost of the court fees and late fees are but for $46.00 you can get a roll of a 100 stamps to let your neighbors know what you think is wrong and what is needed to fix it.

The same day I let them know I was going to pay the dues, I was served a small claims notice.

Because you had a change of heart you expect the HOA to eat the costs of your temper tantrum. It's not like you called and capitulated and they ran out and filed suit anyway, if you got the notice the same day - they filed a day or two before.

BTW, Just because the Board doesn't do what YOU WANT when YOU WANT IT does not make them bullies. The word bullies has to be one of the most misused when applied to HOA Boards, enforce the CC&R's especially against someone you think is nice, they must be a bully. Just how does the Board bully the homeowners? Beat them up and take their lunch money. If they are so bad, so incompetent why do the majority of homeowners keep electing them to the Board? Do they break the kneecaps of anyone who tries to run against them or the fingers of anyone who votes against them? Or have they been known to yell at someone, oh the horror of being yelled at, how can they ever survive being yelled at?

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
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Posted By SherryS2 on 02/12/2013 6:11 PM

I am at a loss as what to do next. - Sherry

Sherry,

I understand your reasoning, as it was fully discussed in your previous thread.

Here is the issue now (as I see it and again, I'm not an attorney or legal professional):

HOA made assessments on your Lot.
You claim that is illegal because the covenants expired but understood that water/sewer service was still provided.
HOA claimed you owed the assessments because they are an HOA and brought legal action
You paid the Assessments.
HOA now wants court costs/attorney fees

As a layperson, I see that a court could take this in any of the following ways:

Paying the assessments indicate that you supported the HOA's authority to levy the assessment - hence you owe for costs of collection.

The HOA doesn't have authority to levy assessments as the covenants did expire. However, the corporation (known as HOA, Inc.) does have the authority to charge for services provided. Hence you owe for costs of collection.

The HOA doesn't have authority to levy assessments as the covenants did expire. However, the corporation (known as HOA, Inc.) does have the authority to charge for services provided. Since the complaint in the legal action is for assessments vs. a collection effort for a charge for service, and there is no contract indicating costs of collections will be paid by client, legal fees/court costs will be born by those who brought them.

Basically, its a 50/50 shot.
My advice, consult with an attorney.
SherryS2 (Washington)
Posts: 47
Posted:
Glen,

There have been disputes between the board and a different neighbor which resulted in a restraining order against the board member.

Its not that simple to elect new board members. This is a very small community. No one else will run for the board.

I agree that I could have handled this differently but I didn't but that does not change the fact that I have serious concerns about how this BOD manages the affairs of the neighborhood.

Ultimately, my goal will be met to expose the BOD for their incompetence and illegal practices. I have filed a counter claim.-Sherry

SherryS2 (Washington)
Posts: 47
Posted:
Glen,

There have been disputes between the board and a different neighbor which resulted in a restraining order against the board member.

Its not that simple to elect new board members. This is a very small community. No one else will run for the board.

I agree that I could have handled this differently but I didn't but that does not change the fact that I have serious concerns about how this BOD manages the affairs of the neighborhood.

Ultimately, my goal will be met to expose the BOD for their incompetence and illegal practices. I have filed a counter claim.-Sherry

SherryS2 (Washington)
Posts: 47
Posted:
Tim,

You understand it. Thanks for your input. I have filed a counterclaim and expect to get a court date soon. I'll keep you posted. - Sherry

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