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ConnieH3 (Colorado)
Posts: 11
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We are in Colorado. Our covenates state that all lot owners are members but there is nothing about dues. Our articles state that there are two types of members, dues paying and non-dues paying. If you don't pay dues, you can't serve on the board. Are we a voluntary association since dues are voluntary, even though all must be members of the association?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
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Without reading the actual covenants it's difficult to say.
Have you asked your Board this question?
ConnieH3 (Colorado)
Posts: 11
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I'm on the board and we have gotten different answers from attorneys. We would just like to continue ue as we have, paying our bills (amounting to about $3000 per year with the dues people pay voluntarily. Most of us do not want to have mandatory dues, fines, liens, ets. Not worth the hassle when we have dues of $100 per year and most pay and we have money left over. We could pay lots of legal fees when we don't really have a need. We are pre CCIOA and our covenants only state all lot owners are members and have one vote per lot. Nothing about dues, assessments, collections, fines, liens or anything related.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
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Interesting. I have the following questions:

1) What, if anything, does your covenants say about maintenance assessments?

2) What common areas must the Association maintain (roads, entrance signs, playgrounds, sidewalks, etc.)?

3) What services must the Association provide (street lights, trash/recycling, snow removal, etc.)?
ConnieH3 (Colorado)
Posts: 11
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Covenants say nothing about assessments. Articles state there are two levels of members -- dues-paying and non-dues paying. Pic-nic grounds get mowed, weeds sprayed, insurance is paid. No lights, water, road maintenance, trash - none of that. We've existed over 40 years and never ran short of funds. Some prefer not having fines and liens a possibility. I guess you would say we operate on donations or contributions and it works very well.
ConnieH3 (Colorado)
Posts: 11
Posted:
Covenants say nothing about assessments. Articles state there are two levels of members -- dues-paying and non-dues paying. Pic-nic grounds get mowed, weeds sprayed, insurance is paid. No lights, water, road maintenance, trash - none of that. We've existed over 40 years and never ran short of funds. Some prefer not having fines and liens a possibility. I guess you would say we operate on donations or contributions and it works very well.
ConnieH3 (Colorado)
Posts: 11
Posted:
Covenants say nothing about assessments. Articles state there are two levels of members -- dues-paying and non-dues paying. Pic-nic grounds get mowed, weeds sprayed, insurance is paid. No lights, water, road maintenance, trash - none of that. We've existed over 40 years and never ran short of funds. Some prefer not having fines and liens a possibility. I guess you would say we operate on donations or contributions and it works very well.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
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Well without reading the covenants, based only on what you provided the best I can come up with is:

1) All owners are members of the Association.
2) Since CC&Rs are silent on Assessments, Association had zero authority to levy assessments.
3) Association was incorporated.
4) Complying with the CC&Rs, all owners are also members of the Corporation but are divided into two classes (dues paying and non-dues paying).
5) Per "corporate" documents, in order to maintain picnic area, members may voluntarily switch from one class to the other based on the payment of dues.

Conclusion:

a) Membership in Association is mandatory
b) Class of membership is voluntary
c) The class of membership determines if the member pays assessments or not.

Mind you, if you're getting differing opinions from attorney's it could be that you are asking the wrong question or asking different questions of each attorney.

I would ask an attorney the following questions:

1) Are we correct that, per the CC&Rs and Articles of Incorporation that membership is mandatory?
2) Are we correct that the CC&Rs do not require members to pay assessments?
3) Are we correct that, per the Articles of Incorporation, members may change between classes of membership at will?

It could also be that the documents are so poorly written that there is room for interpretation. If that is the case, I would recommend amending the documents so there is no misunderstanding in what the documents are saying.
ConnieH3 (Colorado)
Posts: 11
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We have worked on changes to the documents. We'll see if the community votes for them. We just have a handful of people who want dues to be mandatory and want us to have an HOA lawyer. We told them they need to change the covenants and that they should begin that process if it is so important to them. They believe CCIOA makes our dues mandatory and they are being very unpleasant. We are caught up in something the legislature has done that just shouldn't apply to such a small pre-CCIOA HOA. It just may end up costing us a lot of money.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
Connie,

What section of the CCIOA do the individuals cite to support their opinion that assessments are mandatory?
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
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Posted By TimB4 on 02/12/2013 2:48 AM
Connie,

What section of the CCIOA do the individuals cite to support their opinion that assessments are mandatory?

Colorado's CIOA is based on the Uniform Common Interest Ownership Act and is thus similar to Connecticut's CIOA with which I am familiar. Upon checking the CCIOA I did discover that the provisions are pretty much identical to Connecticut's statute, although the sections may be arranged differently.

Connecticut's CIOA states:

"(b) Except for assessments under subsections (c), (d) and (e) of this section, or as otherwise provided in this chapter, all common expenses shall be assessed against all the units in accordance with the allocations set forth in the declaration pursuant to subsections (a) and (b) of section 47-226. The association may charge interest on any past due assessment or portion thereof at the rate established by the association, not exceeding eighteen per cent per year."

Thus, it appears that assessments are determined by the declaration.

However, Section 47-226(a) states: "(a) The declaration shall allocate to each unit: (1) In a condominium, a fraction or percentage of undivided interests in the common elements and in the common expenses of the association, and a portion of the votes in the association; (2) in a cooperative, an ownership interest in the association, a fraction or percentage of the common expenses of the association, and a portion of the votes in the association; and (3) in a planned community, a fraction or percentage of the common expenses of the association, and a portion of the votes in the association."

I'm not sure how to interpret this provision. I'm not a lawyer, but my opinion is that in the end, assessments are still as set forth in the declaration.

As to whether the CCIOA affects communities already in existence, the statute also contains a section that states the applicability of the statute to existing communities.

Then, there is Section 10 of Article I of the U.S. Constitution which prohibits states from passing laws that impair contracts. Courts have sometimes held that laws cannot be applied retroactively to existing contracts, but only to actions going forward from when the law was passed. Of course, pursuing this angle would require a court decision.

Finally, sit four lawyers in a room and ask a question so that all lawyers hear the same thing. You might get four different answers. This is why we need courts to sort things out. Even then, there are appeals.

It never ends (or at least, it takes a lot of time and costs a lot of money).
ConnieH3 (Colorado)
Posts: 11
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I think you and I are in agreement. It appears that CCIOA only mandates that any assessments must be distributed equally among the members. Colorado law states repeatedly that the declarations must be followed. Thanks for the added info on the US Constitution. We are working hard to adhere to the rules that CCIOA sets forth that are intended to protect HOA members -- open meetings, open records, proper elections, etc. We have a member who is a corporate lawyer (we are a non-profit corporation) who is working with us. We have a handful of people who are hung up on "fairness". With dues of $100 per year we just don't see the big concern and have told them to just stop paying -- then it should be fair. Many of us view this as a lawyer's dream. CCIOA was passed around 1992 and it still "has no teeth" and is still being litigated, amended, and an HOA must rely on legal opinions as to whether or not their HOA even falls under the law. Only if someone sues us (we don't know for what) would we then have a judge determine for sure if we are CIC in the eyes of this law. I guess I didn't mention that. Some law firms state that an HOA is not a CIC if they have voluntary assessments and they are then not under CCIOA.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
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Posted By ConnieH3 on 02/10/2013 1:55 PM
We are in Colorado. Our covenates state that all lot owners are members but there is nothing about dues. Our articles state that there are two types of members, dues paying and non-dues paying. If you don't pay dues, you can't serve on the board. Are we a voluntary association since dues are voluntary, even though all must be members of the association?

Your Covenants do not allow for charging assessments so your association is volunary rather than manditory. There is a difference between dues, which are paid by a person, and assessments, which are against the property. You have two classes of members, those who pay dues and can serve on the Board and those who are nonpaying members (possibly without the right to vote as well as not allowed to serve on the Board). To charge an assessment to all homeowners would require an amendment to the Declaration and would change from voluntary HOA dues to a manditory assessment of each unit(lot). We currently manage an HOA which is in the process of changing from voluntary to manditory. This is in their approved and filed amended and restated Covenants and occurs upon the sale of each individual property.
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
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Posted By RogerB on 02/12/2013 9:28 AM
Posted By ConnieH3 on 02/10/2013 1:55 PM
We are in Colorado. Our covenates state that all lot owners are members but there is nothing about dues. Our articles state that there are two types of members, dues paying and non-dues paying. If you don't pay dues, you can't serve on the board. Are we a voluntary association since dues are voluntary, even though all must be members of the association?


Your Covenants do not allow for charging assessments so your association is volunary rather than manditory. There is a difference between dues, which are paid by a person, and assessments, which are against the property. You have two classes of members, those who pay dues and can serve on the Board and those who are nonpaying members (possibly without the right to vote as well as not allowed to serve on the Board). To charge an assessment to all homeowners would require an amendment to the Declaration and would change from voluntary HOA dues to a manditory assessment of each unit(lot). We currently manage an HOA which is in the process of changing from voluntary to manditory. This is in their approved and filed amended and restated Covenants and occurs upon the sale of each individual property.

Roger,

You bring up a good point. Some people probably use the term "dues" when they actually mean assessments. With some posts here it's often difficult to determine what people are really referring to.
ConnieH3 (Colorado)
Posts: 11
Posted:
I appreciate the input. We'll muddle along, but I believe this law is social security for lawyers.
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
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Posted By ConnieH3 on 02/12/2013 8:53 PM
I appreciate the input. We'll muddle along, but I believe this law is social security for lawyers.

It was written by lawyers.
ElaineS2 (California)
Posts: 47
Posted:
Connie

I share your instincts, and I say if you can remain "off the grid" so to speak, carry on for as long as you can.
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Good luck.
ConnieH3 (Colorado)
Posts: 11
Posted:
I guess I should ask if there are other associations out there who also prefer staying away from CCIOA or it's equivalent. We want voluntary dues, we don't want to fine or lien our neighbors and we don't want to "need" a lawyer on a regular basis. Since we have such a small budget (under $5,000 per year) and have a membership of only 120 we feel we should police ourselves and so far that is working quite well.
ConnieH3 (Colorado)
Posts: 11
Posted:
I guess I should ask if there are other associations out there who also prefer staying away from CCIOA or it's equivalent. We want voluntary dues, we don't want to fine or lien our neighbors and we don't want to "need" a lawyer on a regular basis. Since we have such a small budget (under $5,000 per year) and have a membership of only 120 we feel we should police ourselves and so far that is working quite well.
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
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Posted By ConnieH3 on 02/15/2013 7:10 AM
I guess I should ask if there are other associations out there who also prefer staying away from CCIOA or it's equivalent.

It's not the association's call. It's the state legislature's call.
ConnieH3 (Colorado)
Posts: 11
Posted:
True, but it would be truly wonderful if things were clear enough for us, as a pre CCIOA association, to know for sure if we fall under this law without paying a lawyer for an opinion. Right now we could pay and get one lawyer to say we do not néed to abide by it and another might say we do. So until we are sued and a judge makes a decision, we really dont't know. Therefore, I believe this law is social security for lawyers.
ParkerJ (Virginia)
Posts: 12
Posted:
if it's not broken, don't fix it

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