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GaryB11 (California)
Posts: 66
Posted:
Folks: For context purposes, I am trying to invalidate an election; as opposed to going to court. We have 5 members on our board. Two members control the board, and are out of control. In December, the term for these two members expired. They decided to run as a team for re-election.

The election was by secret ballot. At the annual meeting, the management company informed the attendees that there wasn't sufficient ballots to reach a quorum; and an "adjourned meeting" would be scheduled. The board and audience worked out a date for the "adjourned meeting" which was announced at that point in the annual meeting. Once the date was announced, the BOD didn't adjourn. We continued with a full slate of discussions for 2 more hours.

Subsequently, the adjourned meeting occurred, the quorum requirements were reduced to 25%, and the two out-of-control directors were re-elected. They won by 5 votes, with over 70% of the voters abstaining.

My question is about the definition of an adjourned meeting. Since the annual meeting continued after it was determined that an election quorum didn't exist, can the board use an adjourned meeting to count the ballots? Our by-laws indicate that an election should be scheduled at a Special Meeting with 10 days written notice if a quorum didn't exist at the annual meeting.

It seems to me that since the meeting wasn't adjourned after it was determined that a quorum didn't exist; then, the board should have called a Special Meeting. If correct, does it invalidate the election?

Two board members resigned as soon as the ballots were counted. A third member has stated that he will be resigning at our next meeting. If you have any ideas, case law, etc, your response will be greatly appreciated.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By GaryB11 on 02/03/2013 8:32 AM

We continued with a full slate of discussions for 2 more hours.

Lack of a quorum prevents votes from being taken. Discussions can certainly be done.

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Posted By GaryB11 on 02/03/2013 8:32 AM

Our by-laws indicate that an election should be scheduled at a Special Meeting with 10 days written notice if a quorum didn't exist at the annual meeting.

It seems to me that since the meeting wasn't adjourned after it was determined that a quorum didn't exist; then, the board should have called a Special Meeting. If correct, does it invalidate the election?

Per david-stirling.com no quorum web page civil code does defer some of the issue to the governing documents.

Are you saying that the Association failed to give notice of the new meeting to the membership?

If they did fail to give notice, then you could certainly challenge the results based on the lack of notice. If the Board is agreeable, the proper thing to do would be to schedule a new meeting for the purpose of elections. If the Board is not agreeable, then you will need to challenge the issue in court.

NOTE: Corporate law typically allows the individuals previously in office to remain in office until their replacement is elected or appointed even if their term expired. If they don't want to remain in office they need to resign. Therefore, other than holding a new election - those same individuals, because they were previously on the board, would have legally stayed in office until a proper election was held anyway.

I would suggest that you make sure that YOU have enough promised proxies to make the changes you want prior to pushing the issue. Otherwise, everyone will be spending a lot of money and nothing would have changed.

GaryB11 (California)
Posts: 66
Posted:
Point of clarification: the annual meeting had a full agenda. The election was the first item on the agenda. As soon as the Management Company determined that there wasn't a quorum (less than 30% of the homeowners had returned their secret ballots), the BOD called for an adjournment meeting. The meeting was scheduled according to the timeline outlined in the by-laws; and then, the BOD continued with the scheduled meeting.

The by-laws state "In the event that the annual meeting is not held: or the board is NOT elected thereat, the board may be elected at a special meeting."

My argument is the BOD should have adjourned the meeting after it was determined that a quorum did not exist. Since the BOD continued with the other items on the agenda, the meeting didn't adjourn. Doesn't the board need to stop the meeting, once they call for an adjournment?

Also, since the meeting continued, doesn't the BOD need to call a Special Meeting?

GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
The by-laws state "In the event that the annual meeting is not held: or the board is NOT elected thereat, the board may be elected at a special meeting."
The problem is the word MAY which means they can but don't have to have a Special Meeting unlike the words WILL or SHALL which mandates it. Besides if the two are so "out of control" what makes you think they will agree that the meeting that elected them was invalid? Since your other Board members took the cowardly way out, I mean if my math is correct three is majority over two and the two now can fill the Board by appointing their cronies; then your only option other than court would be a recall.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
GaryB11 (California)
Posts: 66
Posted:
I don't believe that "May" is applicable in this instance. The BOD agreed to have another meeting. My argument is once the BOD agreed to another meeting, it should have scheduled a Special Meeting.

I totally agree that the BOD will ignore anything that I state on this topic. I need to audience on my side, so we can kick the board out.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 1,767
Posted:
Gary

I would check your Bylaws. There should be language that an adjourned meeting can be no less than 5 days and no more than 30 days. It should be done at the same meeting, as that sound like what happened.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 1,767
Posted:
Meant to say "shouldn't happen at the same meeting".
GaryB11 (California)
Posts: 66
Posted:
The first meeting was on 12/19. The meeting came to order and the management company announced that there were insufficient secret ballots for a quorum. Someone in the audience asked if we could re-schedule the meeting as soon as possible. The management company called the Association's attorney, who gave her two dates. The first date 1/9 was selected and it was announced that an "adjournment" meeting would be held on 1/9, when the quorum would be 25%.

After the announcement, the President started covering item #2 on the agenda. We went through the agenda, had a period for questions and comments; and then, the meeting ended. The BOD reminded people of the meeting on the 9th and it ended.

I understand that a meeting can be carried over a number of sessions. You adjourn a meeting and pick up at the next scheduled date. However, on the 19th, the board called of an adjournment meeting after the 1st item on the agenda. Once we concluded with the details of planning the adjourned meeting, we started up again. But, when we started up on item 2, aren't we into the next session? Meeting adjourned; and then, we started the adjourned session.

Our by-laws indicate that if an election is not held at the annual meeting, then a special meeting must be called. However, a special meeting requires notifying the members 10 days in advance of the meeting.

I believe that the Annual meeting was adjourned; and then, a new session to complete the annual meeting occurred. If I'm right, then the board should have scheduled a special meeting. Since 10 days notice wasn't provided, is the election valid? There were no additional ballots when the count occurred in January.

I know I'm reaching. If I have a possible argument, then I need to know where to go.

Love this sight. Appreciate the help

LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Gary,

Was the meeting on 12/19 the annual meeting of the homeowners, a board meeting, or some combination of the two?

My association has an annual member meeting followed immediately by a meeting of the BOD. If there was no quorum for the members' meeting and that meeting was adjourned, then it was entirely proper for the board to begin its meeting if it was scheduled.

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
The OP states he is looking for a way to "overturn" the meeting.

I think what he is hanging his hat on is once the BOD realized there was not a quorum for election, they scheduled a new election meeting but they then went on and held a BOD business meeting. I believe he is claiming they actually adjourned and the meeting should have ended at that time as in they should not have gone on to conduct business.

My personal belief is they could have set another election meeting time (which they did), gone on with business, then adjourned to the next scheduled meeting.

I do not see the BOD as having done anything wrong and if in error, what is the issue?

Am I missing something?
GaryB11 (California)
Posts: 66
Posted:
The election was by secret ballot. Once the BOD determined that there wasn't sufficient ballots to make a quorum, they adjourned the meeting. Then, the association conducted its annual meeting.

Thus, the sequence was:
1. We start the annual meeting with BOD and members
2. The first item is the election; but there are insufficient secret ballots for a quorum. We follow protocol and schedule the adjournment meeting, announce the new date and end the election.
3. The annual meeting begins with #2 on the agenda and continues to conclusion. The meeting is ended.

Our by-laws call for a special meeting to be scheduled if the election cannot be held because of a lack of quorum. Obviously, by adjourning the meeting, the annual meeting would continue into January. However, the BOD adjourned the meeting after the new date and time was announced; and then, they started the annual meeting (in other words, the adjourned meeting was held). At the end of the annual meeting, the session ended. The BOD should have scheduled a Special meeting for the new election session.

I believe that the BOD needed to adjourn the second part of the annual meeting and schedule the election date at that time. Since they did it at the beginning of the meeting, the second park ended the session, requiring the BOD to call for a special meeting for the election.

I hope that helps. The real question becomes how the BOD ended the 2nd session. Does it matter that the session wasn't adjourned and the election date announced at the end.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:

Gary,

Would you please provide the language used in your governing documents that defines a quorum and allows the reduction of a quorum?

Tim
GaryB11 (California)
Posts: 66
Posted:
You are referring to the election (reduction to 25% of the members casting secret ballots for quorum)? I will need to find it and type it. The CC&Rs and bylaws are a GIF file. You can't cut & paste.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Yes and No.

Often quorum requirements can vary depending on what is being discussed. For example, in my Association, we need 10% for a quorum at the annual meeting but 60% if we are voting to raise Assessments above 5%. If we don't reach the 60% we can't vote on raising assessments but as long as we have a quorum of 10% we may continue with the rest of the meeting.

If your Association has something similar, then legally the meeting could continue except for the election as CA Civil code allows the same thing:

Corporations Code §7512. Quorum.

(b) Where a bylaw authorizes a corporation to conduct a meeting with a quorum of less than one-third of the voting power,then the only matters that may be voted upon at any regular meeting actually attended, in person or by proxy, by less than one-third of the voting power are matters notice of the general nature of which was given, pursuant to the first sentence of subdivision (a) of Section 7511.

(c) Subject to subdivision (b), the members present at a duly called or held meeting at which a quorum is present may continue to transact business until adjournment notwithstanding the withdrawal of enough members to leave less than a quorum, if any action taken (other than adjournment) is approved by at least a majority of the members required to constitute a quorum or, if required by this division, or by the articles or the bylaws, the vote of the greater number or voting by classes.

CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
I appreciate your patience, Gary, and you'll need more of with me. I've re-read your posts a few times and something isn't gelling for me. First, though, it sounds like perhaps you're on the board--are you? Second, it really does sound like your board blended together an "annual meeting of the members and election" with a "regular meeting of the board." If your board doesn't know any better than to do that, your PM should know.

As with Tim, I'd like to see the section in your bylaws that permit for a reduction of a quorum of the voting power from 30% to 25%.

Next, was your HOA membership provided written notice posted in a public place or etc., before the new meeting to count the votes was held? An announcement at the adjourned election meeting is not legally sufficient. This might be your best hope, but as you say, you must rally other homeowners around you.

Meantime, the Davis-stirling.com website should be really valuable to you--use the Main Index; go to elections.

As with LarryB, in our HOA we hold the annual meeting of members (homeowners), close the polls, etc. While our inspectors of Election (required in CA) count the ballots in an area outside of our meeting room, where any homeowner may observe the tabulation (also required by law) we (the Board) hold a regular meeting of the Board. At the end of the regular meeting, we adjourn and reconvene the annual meeting and an inspector of Election announces the results. Usually of 200+ units, we get 70-80 valid ballots, which exceeds our quorum requirement of 25%.

Unless hotly contested, attendance is very light at our annual meeting and election because absentee ballots are counted towards quorum. Also because of absentee ballots, no one votes by proxy though they're still permitted by our bylaws.
EllieD (Vermont)
Posts: 446
Posted:
GaryB11, In your posts you write “secret ballots”. By secret ballot do you mean the “two envelope” kind?

If you had reached quorum, were the Owners/Members in attendance then going to be given ballots, so that they could vote?

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You also wrote: “Once the date was announced, the BOD didn't adjourn. We continued with a full slate of discussions for 2 more hours” and “when we started up on item 2, aren't we into the next session? Meeting adjourned; and then, we started the adjourned session.”
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Your phrase “the BOD didn't adjourn” seems to be causing some confusion. I assume by that you meant, that the “BOD” and/or whoever was ”chairing the meeting”, then allowed an informal discussion to proceed.

IMO, you did not start up again. The Meeting was adjoined.

As I see it - blame the Chair - the Chair apparently did not make it clear that since we are all here, and even though the “Official Annual Meeting” has been adjoined and rescheduled, we might as well “just talk” and then decided to use the agenda, since everyone had a copy, to provide structure.

I assume that there was no other vote to be taken on any of the agenda items, or if there was, then that did not happen.

Also, how do the Minutes of the Annual Meeting read? The Minutes, of the initial first meeting, IMO should only state that the meeting was adjoined for lack of quorum, and rescheduled to _____, etc, etc.
GaryB11 (California)
Posts: 66
Posted:
i really appreciate your assistance.

I apologize, but I don't have the bylaws available right now. If needed, I will reply with the needed information.

A little more info. We had two directors reach the end of term. One of the directors is the president and the second is an attorney, who runs the board and community. We have 493 SFD and condos under the Master documents. Our elections are conducted by mail-in secret ballot only.

Our meeting on 12/19 was started with the inspector announcing that there wasn't sufficient ballots to reach a quorum. The inspector contacted the HOA counsel, who walked us thru the steps to schedule an adjournment meeting. A new date was selected and the board announced an "adjournment" meeting for 1/9/2013. The BOD explained to the members that there were sufficient ballots for the adjournment meeting, where the quorum requirements were reduced. No further announcements or postings of the meeting occurred.

My only question concerned the adjournment of the meeting; and then, the board reconvened the meeting. I understand that you can adjourn a session and re-convene at a future date. Where I am confused is where the board re-convened the session on 12/19 to complete the agenda; but, at the conclusion of the evening nothing was said about the adjournment meeting.

I understand that I might be grasping at straws here; but, in my mind the board should have adjourned the meeting at the end of the session; and not 5 minutes after it began. Also, there wasn't any posting of the January election time/date, outside of at the 12/19 meeting.

I really appreciate everyone's help. Since i began this thread, the mayor, city manager, and city attorney have gotten involved. We have a real fight on our hands, and it all centers around one board member, who doesn't play well in the sandbox.

BTW: I have been trying to get my hands on the meeting minutes from Dec 19, without success.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By GaryB11 on 02/06/2013 10:22 AM

in my mind the board should have adjourned the meeting at the end of the session; and not 5 minutes after it began.

I would agree. However, in the big picture I don't think a judge would overturn the election based on their decision when to "adjourn" the meeting. Especially since the election occurred at the second meeting.

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Posted By GaryB11 on 02/06/2013 10:22 AM

Also, there wasn't any posting of the January election time/date, outside of at the 12/19 meeting.

That also might not be an issue. Per Davis-stirling [emphasis added]:
Notice of Adjourned Meeting. Unless the bylaws require differently, when a membership meeting is adjourned to another time or place, notice need not be given of the adjourned meeting if the time and place are announced at the meeting at which the adjournment is taken. No meeting may be adjourned for more than 45 days.Corp. Code §7511(d).

Honestly, rather than contesting this election you may do better by organizing a recall. It would likely be less expensive and this way you will be able to inform the membership of the issues as you gather signatures.

GaryB11 (California)
Posts: 66
Posted:
I agree that the judge wouldn't overturn for the timing of the adjournment. However, when they didn't adjourn at the end of the 2nd meeting; then, the session was over. The by-laws state that if an election isn't held because of a lack of a quorum at the annual meeting; then, a special meeting should be called.

The unfinished business was the election, which was adjourned to January 9th. But, the annual meeting was conducted and concluded. Why wouldn't the board need to call for a special meeting and send out appropriate notification?

i don't believe that people really understood what had happened. No additional ballots were received between 12/19 and 1/9/13. The adjournment was a formality, which ended up favoring the existing board members.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By GaryB11 on 02/06/2013 11:06 AM

Why wouldn't the board need to call for a special meeting and send out appropriate notification?

Based on what you provided, as I haven't read your Bylaws, they probably should have.

Do you honestly believe (and I do understand the principal of the issue) that had they sent notices for the 2nd meeting the outcome would have been different?

I ask that because you started this thread by wanting to overturn the election. Were the numbers that close that the results may be different?

Since you were at the 1st meeting, did you solicit proxies or encourage members to vote so the outcome might have been different at the second meeting?

Again, I do understand the principal involved. As previously pointed out, if you went to court and the court ordered a new election, other than the expense of time, energy and money, would things be different (and how do you know it would or wouldn't)?

Sometimes you need to pick your battles and know what you are trying to achieve. If your trying to change the makeup of the board - A recall would be quicker and less expensive.
GaryB11 (California)
Posts: 66
Posted:
You are raising really good points.

First, all candidates were within 10 votes of each other. There were 4 candidates and any could have been elected by a "hanging chad."

Second, I don't believe anyone considered if people could still vote. The message was "the vote is in. We don't have enough secret ballots for a quorum. But, based on procedure, if we wait until "X" date, then we have enough votes and can complete the election.

Third, if the election were held now, I don't believe that the two candidates who won the election would even run.

When the winners were declared, the remaining board members resigned. In retrospect, not the best way to protest, but the message was clear. Since the election, the two board members that won, have created incredible issues. They convinced the Mayor (a good friend of theirs) to have the police begin issuing parking tickets to homeowners living on the public streets. As the mayor stated in an email to me, "We think that the CC&R use restrictions can be enforced on a public street." The fact that the fine is $65.00 per day; versus, three warnings on the private streets isn't a concern for them.

In addition, we now have an appointed board that is of one mind. Even the most staunch allies of these two jokers objected to the appointees. I actually felt sorry for the two guys, who received boos and cat-calls when introduced.

I believe that this would be a perfect script for the Cohn Brothers to make a movie.

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Gary

You keep searcing how to change something you did not like but it seems most out here are saying be they fools/idiots/unliked by you, etc. that the way they did it is no big issue. Some believe the way they did it might have been correct. Some say even if not correct, few would consider grounds for overturning.

Bottom line is I think many on here are suggesting you move on to learning how to take control of a BOD via recalls, elections, proxies, ballot procedures, etc. and get your way, that way.

Hope this helps.

CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
I agree with John46, Gary. There very well may have been some irregularities (to resort to a euphemism i don't like), but even if you can prove that some election behavior was downright illegal, I wouldn't pursue what already has transpired. The Board and PM will likely stonewall you.

But given the boos and catcalls, you and those who are likeminded need to band together, learn your governing documents, especially probably your bylaws (get them!) and start planning a recall election. Again, go to davis.stirling.com. to learn your rights as homeowners. In Ca for example, you must be permitted to read (even draft) minutes 30 days after a meeting (except executive sessions.) Make a written request to your PM for a copy. Also get a copy of your HOA's contract with your Management company. There may be a clause (as in ours) that the PM can do nothing the Board instructs that does against state laws or your governing docs. This may be a handy thing to have.

If you don't have enough support to mount a recall, attend open meetings and still learn all you can--with others if possible-- so that you & they can throw the bums out a year from now. Meantime, put knowledgeable, steady pressure on them. Yes, a year's a very long time to wait.

(Thanks to Tim for pointing out my error when I said the adjourned meeting must be properly noticed--it did not under these circumstances.)
GaryB11 (California)
Posts: 66
Posted:
I appreciate the good advice. All of you are a wonderful source of knowledge and experience. The information that you are providing on this thread and other threads is incredible. I have read Davis-Sterling, civil codes, Robert's Rules, Brown Act etc. But, nothing replaces experience.

BTW: I don't believe for a second that the timing of an adjournment announcement will overturn an election. However, as I add it to a long list of indiscretions and violations, I believe that the California Bar Association will find it interesting.

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