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KL4 (Georgia)
Posts: 15
Posted:
It is my impression that all minutes from annual, budget, board or any other association related meetings are property of the corporation and are to be kept at the corporation address/office. They are to be maintained by one or more of the elected board members or officers so I wonder if it is a crime for the secretary to keep records belonging to the association.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Posted By KL4 on 02/03/2013 6:54 AM [emphasis added]

They are to be maintained by one or more of the elected board members or officers so I wonder if it is a crime for the secretary to keep records belonging to the association.

The Secretary would be an Officer of the Association.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
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Posted By KL4 on 02/03/2013 6:54 AM
It is my impression that all minutes from annual, budget, board or any other association related meetings are property of the corporation and are to be kept at the corporation address/office. They are to be maintained by one or more of the elected board members or officers so I wonder if it is a crime for the secretary to keep records belonging to the association.

Only if the secretary refused to return the records upon the demand of the association. Even then, most cops will dismiss it as a civil matter, so you would left with trying to get a court order for the return of the records.

SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
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In HOA life, its rarely ever a crime or criminal. Doesn't work that way. HOA's rarely ever have offices, so most records are kept at board of directors or officers homes.

But if your HOA does have an office, its good to keep records there. If that person dies, it could be months or years before you get a hold of the records, if the family doesn't throw them out.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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It is the secretaries responsibility in our HOA to maintain such records. They are responsible for taking the notes as well for the HOA. The President can't act as the secretary so they can't take the official notes. The Secretary could keep the records themselves or take the notes and keep it in place the Board controls. We kept ours in the clubhouse closet or with our Accounting office. Either way, for members to review the records the Board would have to approve or acknowledge the request.

Former HOA President
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
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What the others have said. But all records, especially the ones to be kept in perpetuity should be backed up in a different location.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
BonnieG1 (Nebraska)
Posts: 1,186
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I wish we had an office to keep records. I am the Secretary and although there is a storage closet for old records there is nowhere outsid of my unit to store recent records. Of course We post all minutes of Board Meetings other that Executive sessions for the members to read and members are invited to attend all Board Meetings with the exception of Exccutive Sessions. We have very few Executive Sessions.
BonnieG1 (Nebraska)
Posts: 1,186
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I wish we had an office to keep records. I am the Secretary and although there is a storage closet for old records there is nowhere outsid of my unit to store recent records. Of course We post all minutes of Board Meetings other that Executive sessions for the members to read and members are invited to attend all Board Meetings with the exception of Exccutive Sessions. We have very few Executive Sessions.
KL4 (Georgia)
Posts: 15
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In our case we have a clubhouse that for the better part of 13 years has been the locale of one filing cabinet for these records. The files in question happen to be from 2006-08 and have vaporized. As a newly elected president I decided to scan pertinent documents from the associations inception in 2000 in order to preserve them electronically. In the process I discovered the missing files. The persons who were secretary and treasurer during those years have since moved away but took the files with them. What's funny is that officers from 2009-12 never caught it. I thought maybe there would be cause for legal action to recover them since they belong to a corporation.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
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How do you prove that they are in fact the ones that took them? And even if they did; what are the chances they still have them? Our MC told us about a local HOA that they took over, prior it was self managed. One morning a member was out walking their dog and found all of the HOA's records out on the curb for trash pickup. Seems the HOA President had sold his home and just chucked everything prior to moving.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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KL

So Ok, they are missing and the people once responsible for them are gone.

Is there an issue that requires these documents? Are you witch hunting? Are you being anal?

What is the issue?

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Most of us here have experienced missing records. It is not unusual. Nothing to take anyone to court over. HOAs typically have this issue.

Former HOA President
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
KL,

We had a similar issue where records were missing. I contacted all board members during that time frame and asked if they had any copies still lying around or in their computer (don't forget to look at e-mail attachments). We were able to recover a lot of the files that way.
KL4 (Georgia)
Posts: 15
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No, more like paranoid really. Ya know how you hear these stories of treasurers taking the money and running? I'm just saying if no one else knew about it, or if they did weren't concerned, should I be if someone were to ask for access to the records and discover the missing files. I'm just trying to educate myself as to whether I have anything to worry about. That's why I asked if it was a legal matter, not a witch hunt...or being anal...who peed in your Wheaties?

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