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TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
In a different thread, a member posted 7 words that can cause issues for an Association:

"I did not know that you must . . . ."

It doesn't really matter what is said after that statement as it could almost be anything. Associations are ran by volunteers who may or may not know what needs to be done in an Association. This usually isn't because the volunteers are unintelligent, it's likely due to a loss of corporate knowledge resulting in volunteers being uninformed.

Let's be honest, typically the outgoing board is ready to get their life back and drops of the records they had at home to the new volunteer. There may or may not be a 5 minute explanation of what the records are. Even if there is, it's likely to be a case of information overload for the new person and things simply won't be remembered.

My question: How does your Association pass on corporate knowledge?

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
My Association does not do staggered terms. Therefore, it is highly possible for my Association to lose all corporate knowledge from one board to the next.

To try and minimize this I've created binders for each office position (Pres, VP, Secretary, Treasurer, Maintenance) listing the minimum required things that must be done along with examples on how to complete the paperwork.

I've titled them "I've been appointed [name of Office] Now what do I do?"

Besides the examples, the biggest compliment I have received is on the calendars I created. They include:

Calendar of Association Events - Starts from the first board meeting (what needs to happen-appointment of Officers, establish budget, mailing of assessment notices, etc.) and goes through to the first meeting for the new board (prepare agenda, prep annual report, etc.). Throughout the calendar are when taxes, reports, contracts, etc. are due.

Schedule of Repairs, Replacement and Maintenance - Based off the reserve study, identifies what planned maintenance, replacement or repairs should be done each year.

Calendar of Expected Invoices - Exactly what it says. This way the Treasurer and other board members will know what to look for or needs to be paid.

Association Financial Calendar - Runs from Nov to Nov (our elections are in Oct) and includes things like Set up Treasurer’s e-mail account settings, when 1099's should be completed an mailed, when taxes are due, when to solicit bids for audit, when the draft budget should be completed by, etc.

I've attached a sanitized version of our President's Binder (less examples) and our Association Calendar to give a better idea of what I'm talking about.

I'm sure that there may be errors or omissions. However, these can be easily corrected and it's better than what we had: a hearty hand shake and boxes of files.

Tim
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LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Tim,

When I became Secretary of our HOA a few years ago, I was constantly surprised by stumbling across provisions in the bylaws that said, "The Secretary will be responsible for . . ." Nobody ever told me and in a lot of the cases other board members and our management company had been handling certain functions assigned to the secretary. Apparently no one told them, either.

The notebook idea is good but I would look into taking it a few notches higher. Notebooks get lost or just ignored.

Put the same information on your HOA's website where anyone can access it. That way everyone in the association knows who is responsible for what. It is less likely to get lost.

The issue that led to this thread was that a newbie board member did not know about an annual requirement for filing certain tax information with the state. The website ought to have a calendar on it with all scheduled and required activities. This may lead to every owner calling the responsible board member or officer and asking if a particular report had been filed yet, but I would rather tell 100 owners, "Yes, I took care of it" rather than tell one owner, "Oops, I forgot."

Tim, you and I spar from time to time over various issues but I think you association is damn lucky to have you. If all board members, officers, and homeowners would take the time to keep themselves informed the way you do there would be a lot less trouble in all HOA's. I hope you keep up the good work.
NancyG3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 342
Posted:
"Tim, your association is damn lucky to have you. If all board members, officers, and homeowners would take the time to keep themselves informed the way you do there would be a lot less trouble in all HOA's". Wish you were on our BOD, they sure could use your wisdom. Thanks for this information.

Nancy
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
Tim,

I like the idea of making a calendar of long-term maintenance and replacements.

Staggered terms are likely the best structural improvement to a board that can prevent instant brain drain.

That said, out-going board members should be willing to pass as much knowledge as possible to a new incoming board, UNLESS the new board is one of those "Everything is broken and we're going to fix it" types. Then, forget 'em. Seriously. They'll not heed your knowledge anyway.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
I think staggered terms are critical but also is record keeping. Personally I believe in audio recording meetings just in case.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
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Posted By JohnC46 on 02/03/2013 6:59 AM
I think staggered terms are critical but also is record keeping. Personally I believe in audio recording meetings just in case.

I'd be concerned about the audio recording. If these are considered Association documents, i would think someone would be able to review them - and what happens if things got heated during the meeting and someone (especially a board member) said something inappropriate? Then, there's an issue with preserving the recoding - audio CDs don't last forever and there's the matter of storing them

(I attended a seminar at our local library and I believe they last 7-10 years at the most. There are special CDS that last longer - which cost considerable more)

Regarding coproprate knowlege preservation though, I like Tim's suggestions and will bring them to our own board. We have staggarded elections, but like most boards, we have a few people who are more in tune with what's going on and the others who are seat warmers. The issue becomes who leaves first - if the people in the know move on, you're left with board members who weren't paying attention to begin with and then start reinventing the wheel and/or doing things that are unnecessary or just plain wrong.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I almost had to laugh a bit about this post. How I passed on our information was simply being accused of stealing it! LOL! The new board went around accusing me of taking all the records with me to explain all their bad decision making. I was on the new board as a "consultant" but had already moved away to remodel another house. (A house next door to the HOA). So I was only short walking distance away. Plus the fact the very records I was accused of stealing were locked inside the closet in the clubhouse where they had their meetings!!! The new president had the key! I had even re-organized the records and put them in the proper order. It took them a few months before they could admit they were lying. That's because they got called into court and the records were requested. Funny how they found them all nice and organized in their own binder...

So even if you pass your records on, it's not a guarantee the new board is going to have the sense of a Billy Goat not to ignore them. Remember, some board members wanted to be elected because everything you did was "Wrong". So why follow those documents when they can do it the "Right" way by doing it "Their way"? HOA documentation is like Karma...It will come back and bite you when you least expect it and be deserved...

Former HOA President
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
The best way may be to develop a good HOA board manual which can be updated regularly. The manual could provide information on how to prepare a budget, review financial records, what to look for when selecting a contractor, how often to do a legal audit, etc. and then board members can use it as a guide in decision making.

Hopefully as time goes on, they'll be savvy enough to do some things correctly without pulling out the book every time, but it can be a great resource. The book can be updated as needed and all board members responsible for keeping it updated (they cna return the manual when they leave the board).

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
JonD1
Posts: 2,350
Posted:
Well now as I enter my 26th year serving on our Board this question being raised brings to mind several points I have learned over my years of service.

During those 26 years even I have gained some limited knowledge as to how an association should operate, how to deal with common and frequent
issues that have been dealt with before, what serves the property best, legal issues how best to deal with them, and of course personalites good and bad and how to deal with them. After 26 years there is not much I have not run across either on our property or through conversations I have had with other properties, MCs, contractors, etc. I now have a network of people I trust and beleive to can and do provide me with information and opinions should I require them.

Now to Tim's point how do you pass this knowledge along? Well for me a more pressing question would be WHO is willing or interested in recieving what you have learned? I sit on a Board with 8 other members most of whom have no REAL understanding of what is being done day to day and they like it this way. Most occupy a seat each month and that is all they can and will ever offer as far as servcie or input.

I have learned over these 26 years that what you find important and worthwhile does not guarantee others can or will feel the same as you.
I view our property as being my home. I see the ENTIRE property as requring the same effort as far as upkeep and maintenance. I view the CCs paid as OUR money and treat it in the same manner I would use if they were my personal funds. Since taking over as President 10 years ago our assets have gone from $28,000 to more than $460,000 due to my efforts. I would have to think that alone would be something I would want to learn and understand. How over 10 years, including the worst economy of our lifetime, were we able to increase our assets 16 fold.
If not for the property for my own finances. To be honest most on the Board have no clue. Why because they have no real interest. There is plenty to learn but you cannot teach or provide information when the other parties have no real interest.

So books, files, tapes, audio, video whatever my concern would be do you really think there are people that will take the time to educate themsleves no matter how organized or simple you make the process. I don't believe so.

My reality is when I leave after say 6 months the property as a whole will fall back into the condition that reflects the effort made by the remainder of property owners. The efforts I have made can't be continued because no one bothered to follow along or they are not willing to do what I have done. I had hoped to set up some system where the progress I have seen during my time would continue but I just don't see that happening. Not because of a lack of effrot on my part to pass this along but rather there is and will never be anyone willing to accept it.

Common sense, effort, and a willingness to get involved all in short supply today.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By SheliaH on 02/04/2013 8:55 AM
The best way may be to develop a good HOA board manual which can be updated regularly.

I looked at making one manual. However, I thought that the overall size needed to cover all the Officer positions and duties would have been too intimidating. I'm already concerned that the size of the binders may keep people from reading them.

With all the examples and copies of the governing documents our Presidents manual requires a 3" binder. The Treasurers requires a 3" binder, the Secretary's requires a 2" binder and the Maintenance requires a 2" binder. Our newsletter editor's binder only requires a 1/2 inch binder.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By TimB4 on 02/02/2013 5:28 PM
In a different thread, a member posted 7 words that can cause issues for an Association:

"I did not know that you must . . . ."

It doesn't really matter what is said after that statement as it could almost be anything. Associations are ran by volunteers who may or may not know what needs to be done in an Association. This usually isn't because the volunteers are unintelligent, it's likely due to a loss of corporate knowledge resulting in volunteers being uninformed.

Let's be honest, typically the outgoing board is ready to get their life back and drops of the records they had at home to the new volunteer. There may or may not be a 5 minute explanation of what the records are. Even if there is, it's likely to be a case of information overload for the new person and things simply won't be remembered.

My question: How does your Association pass on corporate knowledge?

Through your Managing Agent. Of if you do not have a good professional manager we recommend 2 or 3 years staggered terms plus an operations manual and rules and regulations (with details) such as those required in Colorado.

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