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EM2 (California)
Posts: 28
Posted:
I'm the newly elected president of an HOA in Los Angeles, we are self-managed. In 2011 we paid a contractor close to $70k to resurface a rooftop deck with a special type of waterproof surfacing (Mer-Ko, I believe). It took almost a year to be able to use the deck again, in part because the company wouldn't come out and give final approval for the 10 year warranty (assuming certain maintenance conditions are met) and we were told no one could use the roof until we got that approval so we could get this warranty.

We got the "warranty", and then the company stopped taking the previous presidents calls. Other than the initial call back from the receptionist, once they found out the HOA I was with, they do not take my calls either. The previous president has not given me copies of correspondence, but I did get an email copy of the one page "warranty", which is a blurry copy of blurry copy of a blurry copy (I don't know what the original looks like). It has no place for a signature, or anywhere on it is the name of the contractor who did the work. I called the blurry number in the corner of the contract, which is the name of the company that provides the decking surface. I sent them a copy of the form, and she said the warranty number is not anything they use, AND this is only the first page of their form, the second has a signature and other details of the project. She said she thought someone was using their forms to issue warranties, and she wants me to give her their info so they can reach out to them to stop that.

So, it sounds to me like we were given a fraudulent warranty. And if not, they certainly aren't honoring the warranty since they won't return phone calls. We have since had to pay several thousand dollars to another vendor to fix problems in the roofing. Some caused by natural shifting of the roof, some caused by poor workmanship.

I know we could sue the company, but I was wondering if anyone else has ever dealt with this type of thing and has any addition suggestions.

-EM
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Contact the Better Business Bureau. They may have the help you need and suggestions.

Former HOA President
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
here is what happened:

+ y'all know nothing 'bout roofing nor decks (no need to)

+ y'all did NOT take the necessary steps to become knowledgeable re: what you need

+ y'all got 3 or more PROPOSALS including prices (a good step)

+ y'all (here is where you went astray) accepted the lowest PROPOSAL

you SHOULD have read the PROPOSALS (which were for DIFFERENT 'fixes') and decided HOW you wanted the work done, or WHAT work needed to be done

THEN

Y'ALL draw up a 'scope of work' (or select a proposal) and get BIDS on the SAME 'specs' from multiple contractors/vendors

THEN

you check out your selection for:
license
insurance
performance bond
WARRANTY

? a whole heap of work ?

you betcha ~ don't do the work -> pay the price

CAVEAT EMPTOR
EM2 (California)
Posts: 28
Posted:
Hi John, you actually give the previous board far too much credit on getting three bids and other steps in the process, despite what our CC&Rs state. But, what was done incorrectly in the past (accurately or not as assumed by your post) is of no use in helping me try to solve the problem going forward.

I would greatly appreciate constructive advice from this very knowledgeable resource of things I can do within the scope of the laws of physics. Time travel to fix the past unfortunately isn't one of them.

Productive suggestions thus far:
1) Suing them
2) Reporting to the BBB
3) Going to state licensing board

This is very helpful. Any other suggestions of things that can be done would be greatly appreciated.

GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
First step would be to identify the type of roof and contact the maker directly with your warranty problem. If that doesn't solve the problem then you can complain to the BBB or hire an attorney.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
JonD1
Posts: 2,350
Posted:
EM2:

Sometimes people who have little of value to offer just can't remain silent and would rather offer what they view as their words of wisdom that offer nothing. Sorry for that.

I would wonder what have been the issues with the roof? The material failed or was it improperly installed????

Do you have paperwork on the material itself????? My guess even if the warranty were in place the company which makes the material would only cover defects in their product NOT issues due to workmanship.

Yes I would suggest you contact BBB.

Also I would do some research to see if the company was licensed in the city, county or state and contact them. You might do some research to find out if they belong to any trade associations such as Chamber of Commerce. If you have the address or contact information of the compnay why not use the web to post reviews and warnings to other customers and put them out of business.

I might touch base with the Attorney General for a matter of fraud if they did in fact pass out phony warranties.

And last by not least I would contact an attorney versed in areas such as product failures, construction defects, fraud, defective products etc.

Sorry to hear about your trouble sadly today we have people running around who are willing to do just about anything to make money legal, fair, honest no longer matters.

Good luck.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By EM2 on 02/02/2013 1:16 PM

Productive suggestions thus far:
1) Suing them
2) Reporting to the BBB
3) Going to state licensing board

These are not mutually exclusive. You can (and should) do all three.

Keep in mind that the BBB has no teeth and will only help prevent future losses by others.

If the roofer had a state contractor's license, he may have been required to post a bond that can be used to pay for some of the damage. You will need legal advice as to whether you must wait for the conclusion of the agency's actions before you can file suit. (Arizona case law says your lawsuit is not dependent on the outcome of the agency's actions.)

The suggestion to contact the Attorney General may help run the contractor out of business but is not likely to result in a fix to your roof.
EM2 (California)
Posts: 28
Posted:
Thanks everyone. I have reached out to the company that makes the product, and sent them a copy of the "warranty." It appears the construction company is using this company's paperwork but putting their own warranty number on it (their name or signature appears nowhere on the form). The product company is none too pleased about that, so I will be working with them as well.

I think the problem lies in poor execution. The roof deck is cracking and leaking and causing leaks within owners units. We've had to pay another contractor to come out make repairs, and in our opinion those are repairs the first company should be making as part of their warranty. I think we are entitled to some kind of refund since the purpose we went with them was explicitly to get the warranty. It is supposed to be a 10 year warranty on the assumption we re-seal every 3 years. We are currently less than 2 years after the initial project and we have many cracks and leaks. I do not believe they every visited the property once they got their final payment and we had the "warranty" in hand (should the previous board president noticed there was no signature on the form, nor was the company's name on it -- probably, but again too late now).

For what its worth, and not that I selected them or know what went into the selection process, but this is not a fly-by-night construction company. They are HUGE and do a ton of condo work in the area, and its reasonable to assume they were well recommended. I have no idea what happened with our project or between them and the previous board, but they simply will not respond to any phone calls even to just discuss the warranty.

I will definitely contact the state licensing board and cc the construction company on our letter to them, that at least should get their attention! If the material company is on board with it, that will help us bring a case to the Atty General as well if we decide to go that route.

JonD1
Posts: 2,350
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By EM2 on 02/02/2013 3:26 PM
Thanks everyone. I have reached out to the company that makes the product, and sent them a copy of the "warranty." It appears the construction company is using this company's paperwork but putting their own warranty number on it (their name or signature appears nowhere on the form). The product company is none too pleased about that, so I will be working with them as well.

I think the problem lies in poor execution. The roof deck is cracking and leaking and causing leaks within owners units. We've had to pay another contractor to come out make repairs, and in our opinion those are repairs the first company should be making as part of their warranty. I think we are entitled to some kind of refund since the purpose we went with them was explicitly to get the warranty. It is supposed to be a 10 year warranty on the assumption we re-seal every 3 years. We are currently less than 2 years after the initial project and we have many cracks and leaks. I do not believe they every visited the property once they got their final payment and we had the "warranty" in hand (should the previous board president noticed there was no signature on the form, nor was the company's name on it -- probably, but again too late now).

For what its worth, and not that I selected them or know what went into the selection process, but this is not a fly-by-night construction company. They are HUGE and do a ton of condo work in the area, and its reasonable to assume they were well recommended. I have no idea what happened with our project or between them and the previous board, but they simply will not respond to any phone calls even to just discuss the warranty.

I will definitely contact the state licensing board and cc the construction company on our letter to them, that at least should get their attention! If the material company is on board with it, that will help us bring a case to the Atty General as well if we decide to go that route.


The fact they are a large and established company might be in your favor.
Rather thna a fly by night our of business the next day wonder that you could never find.

Perhaps you should take a ride to their offices and speak to someone face to face before you make contact with any other agency. Give them the opportunity to do the right thing and if not then call who you have to.

We just had a compnay on the property who did work for us 2 years ago.
I just spent 10 hours with them on the property addressing what we thought was another NEW issue. When we got to the botom of it all it was work they had done previously that had failed. I spoke with the MC who spoke with the project manager who offered nothing but excuses and unacceptable explanations. The the MC contacted the owner directly. After listening to what had taken place the owner offered to do the right thing and charge us nothing. My guess about a $12,000 cost to him.
Perhaps you just need to find the right pair of ears.

Good luck and my advice try to do this the easy way first and give them a chance to address the matter. No doubt in my mind if this ends up anywhere else you're having done this first will serve you well in the end in the eyes of lets say a judge. "Did you give thme a chance to make it right?" And your answer should be YES WE DID.

Good luck.

JeanneK3 (Maryland)
Posts: 562
Posted:
The contractor probably has a license. He can have his license revoked for bad work. File a complaint with the state agency that licenses contractors.

Jeanne
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
DITTO JonD1

i was agressive with my answer because it is very easy for every board to ALWAYS say:
'i don't know how it happened ~ the previous BOD done it'

if you have the proper bidding / procurement system in place then this type of issue becomes very very rare ~ proper procurement pratice also includes 'project management' either in house or by outside paid consultants

cheaper than attorneys and rework

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