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KarenT (Washington)
Posts: 250
Posted:
Our HOA has had problems in the past with owners not paying dues on their property they rent out (single family residences). We implemented simple rental rules but these owners refused to follow so we are trying to change our CCR's. We have had a Seattle attorney who is well versed in our state laws draft the new amendment but of course we have one homeowner who insists what we have put in the amendment is "illegal" and wants out HOA attorney to call her attorney to discuss even though we specifically conveyed this owner's question to our attorney and what we are adding in the amendment is legal. Can any of you share your rental restrictions with us? Thanks!
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I don't know the wording of the ammendment you had the attorney draft and put in to have an opinion. Typically a HOA can NOT control or restrict what an owner does with their property in terms of renting it out. The HOA does NOT own the property and can't interfere with the contract of the owner/tenant. They can only hold the owner's feet to the rules. They can't enforce the restrictions on the renter.

Why they aren't paying the dues on their rental property is a mystery to me. It is a tax write off to them if they pay the dues on rental property. An incentive for me to keep paying my dues if using it for rental purposes. Either way, them not paying dues deserves the same action as if they live there full time. Put a lien on them.

It would be good if you can post the actual phrase your attorney drafted as it may not mean or contain what you think it does. Plus the attorney may be doing what you all pay for him to do. Does not make it legal. If push comes to shove rental restrictions can be overturned in a HOA in most states even if drafted into the documents.

Former HOA President
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Karen, following are used by one association we manage to deter investors from purchasing for the sole purposed of renting; and to help prevent problems which may occur with rented properties. These are in the Declaration of CC&Rs and affect only future sales and rentals after the date of filing of the amendment.

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SALES AND LEASING OF UNITS

Home Sales: Upon the purchase of a Unit the new owner must live in the Unit for the first 12 months of ownership.

Rentals/Leasing: All rentals shall require an executed lease. The lease shall be for a minimum of 12 months and may not be month to month tenancy. The leasee shall include the following statement: “The lessee has received and herein agrees to abide by the Governing Documents. It is understood that failure by the lessee to comply with all of the governing documents shall be cause to terminate the lease. The Owner shall provide to the Association, prior to occupancy, (a) an executed copy of the lease; (b) the names of all occupants, a phone number, and an email address (if available) by which the lessee may be contacted; and (c) the license numbers of all of the lessee’s vehicles. No Owner may lease their unit for transient or hotel purposes. No more than two unrelated tenants are allowed to reside in any one Unit.

KarenT (Washington)
Posts: 250
Posted:
Melissa,

We sprecifically asked the attorney about the rental portion because this is our one homeowner who says everything we do is illegal. He stated in a written e-mail it was not.

We are just looking for examples of language to see if we can try to get this passed. She threatens her attorney and everyone caves.
KarenT (Washington)
Posts: 250
Posted:
Thank you Roger! This was also our other purpose regarding investors so thanks for reminding me it affects "future" properties no current. We have a 35% delinquency rate and 1/3 in foreclosure. What a mess!
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
It's still unclear to me what you're trying to do. Create a maximum time limit that a unit must be owner occupied when purchased?

If you're simply trying to collect delinquent dues wouldn't landlords be treated the same way as Owners who occupy their properties? Or are you trying to get tenants to pay the landlords' delinquencies??
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
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Posted By KarenT on 01/27/2013 10:11 AM
We sprecifically asked the attorney about the rental portion because this is our one homeowner who says everything we do is illegal. . . . She threatens her attorney and everyone caves.

If you cave in when she starts yammering about her lawyer, whose fault is that?

The next time she starts threatening to get her attorney involved, tell her that since she is represented by counsel that all further communications between her and the association must go through her attorney. Your attorney ought to be able to provide you with the citation to the correct ethical rule for this in Washington State. I doubt that she really does have an attorney, or at least one with whom she has discussed any of the HOA matters with. This ought to shut her up if you don't back down again.

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Karen

Tough love here, but with that amount in foreclosure and behind in dues, I do not see it as a rental issue but more an association economically falling to pieces and who would want to live there, rentals or not.

I think maybe you are looking at treating the symptoms versus treating the disease.

JH3 (Maryland)
Posts: 67
Posted:
Not sure what Melissa is talking about. Generally speaking, Renters are required to abide by the Rules & Regulations of the association, so you can absolutely impose new rules/regulations on renters by passing R&R's through board meetings. It is true the association does not own the property, however, the association does have a deed restriction on the property which provides them the right to enact and enforce rules on said property - including rental limitations.

Technically, the homeowner is ultimately responsible for the behavior of their renters, but any good landlord will provide a clause to their renters which requires them to follow the rules.

You can normally limit the amount of homes in the association that are being rented, typically by percentage. It may also be possible to pursue the renter for unpaid assessments that the homeowner is responsible for.

I think it is hilarious when homeowners threaten to sue/talk to their attorney/etc. when they have no basis for argument, they just make the statement to get everyone to back down. The above suggestion, is the same as mine, my response to that statement (threat) is "then I can no longer speak with you regarding this matter and all communication must be through your attorney to the association's attorney." 99% of the time, I never hear from the homeowner again. 1/2% of the time I (or the association's attorney) receive(s) a letter from the attorney requesting information on the issue, and thats the end of it, and the rest of the time a case is filed and later thrown out of court. Its incredibly rare to see a homeowner prevail in a court-case unless there was wrong-doing.

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