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LauraR5 (Tennessee)
Posts: 220
Posted:
I live in the South, and apparently, according to several exterminators "everyone eventually gets termites in the South."

I have a pest-control company come and do preventative treatments every other month. They told me that they way the drains are on our end units could cause excessive moisture and that somewhere down the road we could have termites because of it. They also said that most HOAs take precautions against termites as far as the whole building is concerned (we are townhouses with 4-8 houses attached).

The other day I had a meeting with our maintenance man and BOD president and the president (who's lived there since the community started) told me they used to have Terminex come out, but now the community lets homeowners do their own pest control. I specifically asked him about termites and mentioned what my guy said about the drain, and he said that I should be able to get pipe to extend the drain and that each homeowner is responsible for his/her own termite control.

I have looked through the covenants and can't find anything that addresses this issue, except that the HOA is responsible for exterior walls. I am just thinking that if everyone is responsible for their own pest control and my neighbor doesn't know they have termites and our homes are all attached that it could end up being a serious issue.

I know you guys haven't seen my CC&Rs, but do any of you have experience with this issue and how does your association deal with it?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Laura,

I also live in a town home development. Difference is that we are not a condominium and I own the lot and maintain everything associated with my home.

When my neighbor had termites, he told me. This prompted me to get treatment and I told my neighbor who also did treatment, etc. etc.
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
For condos/townhouses, it may be best for the HOA to spray for termites because once they are in 1 unit, they will eat the other units. If the HOA does it, it will be definitely be done. With individual owners, maybe not.

On a side note, that moisture issue needs to be dealt with and stopped. Water rots wood, and must be stopped or it will cause significant damage.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Laura,

In most condos, the unit owner is responsible for the interior of their unit and the association is responsible for the exterior and the structure of the buildings as well as common areas. Unless there is something in the declaration that explicitly puts the burden of termite control on the individual owners, the association is responsible as it is a structural issue.

The problem with allowing individual owners to deal with the termites is that most of them won't get off their dead butts and deal with it. Termites are unable to read blueprints so they do not know that they are supposed to stop eating the structure of your building when they get to the property line. If you have termites in one part of the building you will eventually have termites everywhere.

Part of the problem may be that the board members equate structural termite control with the "pest control" that sprays the spiders under the sink. Spiders may be yucky but they do not eat the structure of your home. Killing the spiders under the sink does not remove the termites chewing away inside the walls and ceilings.

When I purchased all my homes, past and present, the lenders required a structural termite inspection by a company licensed by the state Structural Pest Control Board. I do not know how lenders handle this for a condo but I would assume that they would want to see a recent inspection report for the entire building. With no certification that the building is free of termites no lender is going to underwrite a mortgage. This leaves your condo unit at near-zero market value. If the building collapses, you are still on the hook for making the mortgage payments.

If I were in your position I would do some serious saber rattling. I would consult with an attorney to verify that the association is responsible for termite control and structural maintenance. Then I would have him write one very heavy-handed letter to each board member threatening to get a court order to force them to eradicate the termite problem and keep it under control.

Board members usually have no civil liability if their actions are consistent with what a reasonable person in a similar situation would do. A reasonable person in a similar situation would not abandon a duty to the members. Thus, the board members may have a personal liability for any damages suffered by any member as a result of refusing to treat termites.

JM10 (California)
Posts: 503
Posted:
You might look into your state requirements.

California has state requirements regarding termites. Also check and see what are considered common areas, including exclusive use common areas.

Generally, the HOA is responsible for common areas including exclusive use common areas. This might include balconies and rooftop areas.

If this is the case, then the HOA should include the homeowners. When I consulted with a company about it, the homeowner could have their place inspected for an additional $20. The homeowners would have to be there for the inspection of the balconies any way.

However, our board refused and only allowed one board member (who thought he saw a termite) have his place inspected. The common areas were not inspected. When we sold our unit, there were termites in the rafters, but the HOA board of directors refused to meet. The four connected units should have been tented and fumigated, but as far as I know the other units were not fumigated.

Now that's a disaster in progress.
EdmundS1 (North Carolina)
Posts: 45
Posted:
I also live in the south and the HOA that I sit on does a yearly inspection (inside and out). Like your set-up 2-6 town houses attached per group.

Our HOA is responsible for all outside maintance, we paint all houses every five years, replace roofs every 15-20 years, gutters, etc. We have a vested interest in keeping termites under control.

Early in your post you mentioned that the HOA had responsibility for "exterior structure"...I would think that they would also have a vested interest in termite control. I am assuming that your homes are frame with the framing going down to just above ground level.

Treatment every 2 months sounds like a little overkill but you may be further south where it is always damp and humid (relative to North Carolina).
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Laura

Pest and Termite control are two different issues even when handled by the same company. Termites are usually not seen and have to be inspected/treated for if they are seen. Inspection is usually done yearly.

In the south, pests (bugs) are always there and usually a place is treated (sprayed) inside and outside every few months.

Hope this helps.

LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
I have been in one sort of service business or another most of my working life. One of my observations is that in every organization there is that Bright Boy who is going to make a name for himself by cutting costs. Preventative maintenance is usually the first thing the Bright Boy cuts. Deferring maintenance is always a risk and I was always amazed at how many Bright Boys were promoted up the ladder before the fertilizer hit the rotary ventilation device, leaving someone else to clean up the mess.

Our local school district once had a contract with a roofing company for annual inspections on all the roofs of all the district's buildings. A Bright Boy decided that this was a waste of money as each school had its own maintenance staff that could just as easily climb on the roof and take a look. So the school janitors were also assigned the task of roof inspections. The problem was that roof inspections are needed just once in a great while so the task was pushed further and further toward the back burner until it was no longer on the radar. The Bright Boy had not set up any sort of scheduling system or reporting system so no one at the district level knew that roofs were not being inspected until they started leaking. The damage caused by the leaky roofs far exceeded the "savings" from eliminating the contractors.

A contract for any sort of preventative maintenance, like termite control, looks like a waste of money at first glance. Because the maintenance is not an everyday task, it will get overlooked if left up to homeowners or even management staff. The real value of a contract for prevenative maintenance is that the job gets done on a regular schedule instead of being forgotten.
JM10 (California)
Posts: 503
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By LarryB13 on 01/23/2013 4:15 PM
I have been in one sort of service business or another most of my working life. One of my observations is that in every organization there is that Bright Boy who is going to make a name for himself by cutting costs. Preventative maintenance is usually the first thing the Bright Boy cuts. Deferring maintenance is always a risk and I was always amazed at how many Bright Boys were promoted up the ladder before the fertilizer hit the rotary ventilation device, leaving someone else to clean up the mess.

Our local school district once had a contract with a roofing company for annual inspections on all the roofs of all the district's buildings. A Bright Boy decided that this was a waste of money as each school had its own maintenance staff that could just as easily climb on the roof and take a look. So the school janitors were also assigned the task of roof inspections. The problem was that roof inspections are needed just once in a great while so the task was pushed further and further toward the back burner until it was no longer on the radar. The Bright Boy had not set up any sort of scheduling system or reporting system so no one at the district level knew that roofs were not being inspected until they started leaking. The damage caused by the leaky roofs far exceeded the "savings" from eliminating the contractors.

A contract for any sort of preventative maintenance, like termite control, looks like a waste of money at first glance. Because the maintenance is not an everyday task, it will get overlooked if left up to homeowners or even management staff. The real value of a contract for prevenative maintenance is that the job gets done on a regular schedule instead of being forgotten.

I was thinking of you, Larry, and exactly this (what you've written above) when I was writing about our termite experience above. I can say that since I'm always thinking what-if, that I'm always on the other side and often ridiculed. I won't be there to say "I told you so" and I'm glad that I won't be cleaning up the mess.

The termites, on the other hand, are probably very happy for the cost-saving measures that precludes regular inspection.
LauraR5 (Tennessee)
Posts: 220
Posted:
Just to clarify, my bug guy is getting spiders and other things (very well, I might add) but once a year he checks for termites and reported about the moisture issue. I also had a termite inspection prior to getting my mortgage, but that was when I was told that HOA's usually deal with termites because it requires the entire structure to be tented. However, when I asked my HOA president about termite inspections for the community he told me that it's up to each owner. However, most likely termites will affect the roof and exterior, which aren't my responsibility.

I will ask our property manager about it. I'm pretty sure that everyone thinks I'm nuts anyhow.

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Laura

I say if in multi-unit buildings (versus standalone homes) then the association is responsible for termite inspections and maybe even for outside bug control.

I say if standalone homes, then the home owner is responsible.

Which are you?

Thanks
LauraR5 (Tennessee)
Posts: 220
Posted:
Multi unit townhouses
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By LauraR5 on 01/27/2013 4:21 PM
Multi unit townhouses

With adjoinig walls and whatever (as you say there are) then I say it is an association issue as one cheap/stupid unit owner not inspecting/treating for termites could spell disaster for the entire building as in all units.

Bugs in their unit (married to or not.....LOL) another issue.

LauraR5 (Tennessee)
Posts: 220
Posted:
That is how I feel too, John. I will probably bring it up with the PM. Our oldest units are 8 years old, and my bug guy said it can sometimes be 7-10 years for new construction to develop termites, so we may need to make sure we're doing inspections and catch it before it's a huge issue.
JM10 (California)
Posts: 503
Posted:
Hi,

I'm in California. Our townhouse unit was built in 2007 and sold in 2008. By the time we sold in 2012, it had termites in the rafters.

I wouldn't wait. Especially when I looked out at the roofs of the neighboring buildings and it didn't look like these places had been inspected for termites.

We were also multi-unit townhouses. The termite inspectors offered to inspect the common areas and for a nominal fee to inspect the units as well. The termite inspectors would need access to each unit because of exclusive use common area (such as balconies) and rooftop areas.

Now I had asked for an inspection in May of 2011. The board refused and only allowed one board member to have his place inspected and would not even give us the date. Although there were termites found in our unit in the rafters and the connecting units should have been inspected and tented, the board refused to meet on this. To date, the board has not had an inspection. It may seem like money saved for them, but I'm with Larry...termite damage when it becomes visible to the tenants/members is going to cost more than regular preventive maintenance.

California has a website where you check where in your neighborhood has been inspected: http://www.wdopestboard.ca.gov/

Your state may have similar information.

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