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TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
There seem to be three ways of thinking when Associations look at Reserve funds.

a) Associations see the Reserves as one big pot of money that is to pay for specific items that are to be paid for from the Reserves.

b) Associations assign a specific amount of money to individual line items ($ for playgrounds, $$ for roads, etc).

c) Associations assign a specific amount to individual line items but will reallocate (vs. borrow) funds from one line item to another if needed.

There are certainly pros and cons for each.

For discussion purposes, which process does your Association use and (if known) why that method vs. one of the others?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
My Association uses the second method (individual line items) and if additional money is needed funds in a reserve contingency line item are used first. If the contingency fund isn't enough, funds are borrowed from another line item with an action plan to pay that line item back.

Personally I prefer this method as I believe it provides more check and balances. However, there are those who serve on the board that see it as one large pot of money (limited to Reserve items). Part of the reason why I continue to serve on the board, I want to make sure that the funds set aside for item a wasn't spent on item b and now item a is being deferred (or requires a special assessment).
PaulM18 (Virginia)
Posts: 46
Posted:
Tim,

We've just had our first Reserve Study done.

They recommend a Cash Flow model... Everything is in one account and maintains the minimum balance above 20% at the lowest point in a 30yr period (our big events occur every 20 years... one in 15 years and one 5 years after the current study coverage period.

But our items mainly deal with our Park and Playground.... No clubhouse, pool, streets, etc...

Paul

KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
I prefer, and our board operates its Reserve Funds, under a line-item structure. But, when things happen regardless of our Reserve replacement study - if they qualify - we grab from the "pot of money" and end the reserve amenity problem.

The more detail in the Reserve list, there more the cash is held accountable if a new board sees "pot of money" as "over-collected dues revenue."

DavidW5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 565
Posted:
Tim,

We employ method number one. We calculate our need for reserves based on the remaining useful life and estimated replacement costs of an inventory of 207 items. The full accumulated amount is available as needed for any inventory item that needs to be replaced.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
David, I like your explanation better than my own.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Tim,

I think there should be a distinction between collecting and spending reserves.

Having a line item for income for each reserve item ensures that nothing gets overlooked. Each asset should be identified along with a projection of anticipated capital expenses likely to be incurred in the future. Having a line item that says only Reserve Funds would allow too many items to drop through the cracks.

Probably the biggest single influence on the life of an asset is weather. Few things are less predictable than Mother Nature. You can plan for the roof lasting 20 years but the weather may force replacement sooner than that. Few things would be more frustrating than to have sufficient funds on hand for roof replacement but being unable to do the job because some of that money is allocated to replacing the swingsets on the playground and repaving the tennis court five years from now.

If you take money from the playgrounds and tennis courts to pay for the roof, replenishing funds for all three of those items in the future is going to get really messed up if they are not accounted for separately.

I think your option C may be the best as specific amounts are allocated for each asset but the entire pot can be utilized when it needs to be while retaining some accountability for each capital item.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
In addition to the line item, we also break down the monthly reserve payment for the homeowners so they can see that what seems like a huge monthly payment into reserves really breaks down to $10 here, $15 there etc.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
JeanneK3 (Maryland)
Posts: 562
Posted:
Although a little off the topic, nothing is more important than having your reserves in a separate account that your manager does not have access to. The manager can make deposits but only the signature of two officers should be able to take money out.

A management company in Maryland recently has had to shut down while it is being investigated for co-mingling and embezzling association funds. Maryland has tried to pass a Manager licensing bill for several years and this event should do it.
Jeanne
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JeanneK3 on 01/15/2013 5:03 AM
Although a little off the topic, nothing is more important than having your reserves in a separate account that your manager does not have access to. The manager can make deposits but only the signature of two officers should be able to take money out.


Yep. Separate account and no access, zero, from the mgmt company. No check access, nothing. Laws cant even help you here. Just look at MF Global who used customer money and lost it, which was completely illegal but they did it anyway. If someone is going to steal your money, no laws about separating money, that are never enforced or even looked at are going to stop them. You need to be smart, and prevent this from happening in the first place.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By SteveM9 on 01/15/2013 6:10 AM
You need to be smart, and prevent this from happening in the first place.

Agreed. In my opinion, no management company should have access to spend Association funds. They should only keep the Lot ledgers and make deposits. The Board should be the one's issuing checks and the Treasurer should be the one balancing the checkbook and verifying the lot ledgers.
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Quote:
The Board should be the one's issuing checks and the Treasurer should be the one balancing the checkbook and verifying the lot ledgers.


I agree, but alas, many bod/treasurers do not posses this level of competence and just let the mgmt company do whatever they want.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
We were lucky if we had a savings/reserves. When I took over there was about 2K in a separate savings account. Our monthly expenses were about 5K. We collected about 5K a month. So building a reserve or putting money in our separate savings account was nearly impossible most months. Although many believed we had money in our savings. It wasn't enough to cover one month's worth of bills. It was always an area that IF I had stayed would have been my next area of concentration. It's important for a HOA to try and have a savings account no matter what. Just wish we could have established a better one.

Mind you we did have a 2 signature system with special checks. The accounting firm had to write them and then 2 board officers approved for signing checks had to sign off on them. This really helped in keeping a really close eye on our money. Even if you can't establish an adequate reserve, atleast establish a good spending open spending system.

Former HOA President
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
We use Tim's (c)-- separate line item for each component on our reserves schedule. As 12-yr. old twin high rises, we have over 200 components worth about $10 million. Many are mechanical, e.g., cooling towers for our HVAC systems. Some have a line item for repair, e.g., our poolside furniture has one line item for replacing the fabric, which we did about a year ago, and a separate line item for replacing the furniture.

We do have a contingency line item in reserves in case a component needs work or replacement sooner than its estimated life. In some cases, the developer used ridiculously long estimated lives and/or ridiculously low replacement costs. A 5-year old high rise near us learned their reserves had a shortfall of $1 mill. for that reason and those Owners are facing some special assessments to "catch up."
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
We use Tim's (c)-- separate line item for each component on our reserves schedule. As 12-yr. old twin high rises, we have over 200 components worth about $10 million. Many are mechanical, e.g., cooling towers for our HVAC systems. Some have a line item for repair, e.g., our poolside furniture has one line item for replacing the fabric, which we did about a year ago, and a separate line item for replacing the furniture.

We do have a contingency line item in reserves in case a component needs work or replacement sooner than its estimated life. In some cases, the developer used ridiculously long estimated lives and/or ridiculously low replacement costs. A 5-year old high rise near us learned their reserves had a shortfall of $1 mill. for that reason and those Owners are facing some special assessments to "catch up."
FrankM7 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 61
Posted:
Tim,

Our association now uses your second choice B) since we did a self-directed reserve study on our own. Each item with its projected expense is scheduled separately for repair or replacement during a future year, and it has a separate year indicating when savings had begun or will begin to fund it out of the dues payments.

The percentage funded and the amount allocated for each expense as saved to date will vary slightly when calculated as part of the current reserve account balance from year to year. Our program calculates that percentage based on the years left for savings and other factors to determine whether it is fully or partially funded.

Each future year printout indicates the amount needed from dues for each expense and the total of active ones, as well as averaging those amounts to determine whether the dues needs to be increased or not.

Being able to manage this reserve worksheet on our own provides opportunity to easily update future estimated expenses along with adding new ones as needed.

Frank

LorraineS (Texas)
Posts: 1
Posted:
Frank,
do you have a copy of the accounting software that you use?
FrankM7 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 61
Posted:
Lorraine, the actual accounting and budget part of our record keeping is done in Quicken. The invoicing and reserve study tasks as described in my previous post are done in our new program. If you need more details and contact info write to my gmail address using solutions.eti and we can talk.

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