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JoanM3 (Florida)
Posts: 10
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We want to write a new article to our covenant (to be voted on at annual meeting) because we have been held "captive" by a multiple lot owner (rarely pays dues and recently took 2 1/2 years to pay a pool assessment fee which we imposed because the County required an update to our pool. We almost lost our pool because of the delay. His lack of payment, which was significant, kept us from proceeding with the repairs. Now that our pool is done, our board of directors wants to make sure this cannot happen again by limiting the number of units any one purchaser can own to two. Naturally, the owner who already owns multiple lots would be excluded from this law until such time as he sells. Then he could only sell two units to any one purchaser. My concern is whether or not this would be legal. It would read something like this......"From this date forward (insert date) ownership in the Association is limited to two units (with or without homes) per owner. We are Lee County, Florida. Anyone have feedback on this issue? Would appreciate it!
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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This really does not make any sense to do. The HOA can NOT control who buys or rents what if they don't own all of the property. It is a mortgage company decision NOT a HOA. People can buy as many houses they want to buy as long as they are approved by the bank/mortgage company to do so.

A side note to this is that Florida is one of the few states that may have state laws restricting the multiple sales referring to condos. A few years back there were some investors buying multiple properties, fixing them up substandard, and resaling them. I do NOT know all the details related to this situation but the investors were sent to prison for selling the substandard condo's in a short period of time. This is OUTSIDE the HOA and would require more research. It would be the owners of these substandard units to apply the law if this were the case and NOT the HOA.

Back to the HOA...Your HOA should have foreclosed or place a lien on this person. I had to foreclose on someone who did a similar thing in our HOA. They lost their house for only $2K they owed us. Your HOA needs to have an established timeline in place before you place a lien. We had a 6 month non-payment of dues and we would place a lien on the property. After a year or a bit more depending on the situation, we would then pursue the foreclosure process. Which doesn't take that much time but is NOT worth the HOA purchasing the home. It's just a "Stop the bleeding" type measure. It should ONLY be used in very specific situations. A foreclosure does stop as soon as the owner pays what is due.

A lien isn't that expensive and legal costs are part of the filing fees along with interest/late fees. Deliver it by certified mail to the address listed in the HOA and the person's real address outside the HOA if they have one. It's time to be more aggressive by placing lien or deciding on foreclosing on the ones you may have.

Former HOA President
JoanM3 (Florida)
Posts: 10
Posted:
Thank you for your feedback. We have slapped liens on this owner numbers times over the last 20 years. He somehow manages to come up with the money at the very last minute and pays the legal fees as well. Amazing, but in the meantime, he seriously impacts our cash flow. We try to keep our Association fees low and have found ourselves raising them by 15% each year for the last two years in an effort to keep the cash flow more fluid. I guess we were hoping that the Association itself could establish a law limiting ownership to two units per owner. I know we can introduce articles; just don't know if this could ever stand up....legally. Does anyone know of any Owners Associations that already have this in place? I believe newer Associations might have done this Thanks.
JoanM3 (Florida)
Posts: 10
Posted:
Oh and we do realize that the multiple lot owner would automatically be exempt from any new ruling. We are just fearful that he might sell all of his lots to another person who would continue to keep us in the same situation!
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Joan

What % of the units does he own? There will always be some late payers so you must ask yourself if are you operating to close to the bone where a few late payers actually cause you to go negative and/or have to delay things?

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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It sounds like your HOA has bigger financial issues than this one payer. One person should NOT have that much of an effect on your budget for NOT paying. A HOA should account for atleast 10 - 25% of their membership NOT paying or being late payers depending on the size of their HOA. We had 107 homes and only 90 of them a month were always dependable on paying their monthly dues give or take every month.

I think your HOA is setting it's budget too low overall. Keep in mind your HOA is a NON-PROFIT corporation and it's expenses should match what it spends out split equally amongst ALL the owners. At the end of the year the HOA should maybe have a reserve account and enough to carry the expenses for it's next month for the most part ideally.

If your HOA can't cover one or two non-payers, then really your budget should be looked over. It doesn't make sense to keep it that low. Even stores account for thefts in their budgets but don't limit the number of shoppers they have in the store. Why this guy refuses to pay his fair share until liened is a bit crazy to me as the property being rental the dues are then tax deductible. They are NOT if you use the home a primary residence. So something else seems to be going on here.

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TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 12/30/2012 8:23 AM
A HOA should account for atleast 10 - 25% of their membership NOT paying or being late payers depending on the size of their HOA.

This would typically be done with an operational contingency fund.
I've heard a good rule of thumb for an operational contingency is 3 months of expected bills or 1/12 of the annual assessments. If you do not have an operational contingency, I'd suggest starting one.

This of course would be in addition to your Reserve Funds.

LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Joan,

In answer to your original question, limiting ownership is a good idea and whether it can be done will depend on your state laws.

If the law permits this, you will need to amend the declaration, not the bylaws or other rules. The declaration will lay out how to amend that document and it is seldom done by holding a vote at a meeting. Typically, declarations are amended by getting a specified percentage of owners to sign an amendment and then recording those signatures where the original declaration was recorded.

SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
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In answer to your original question, limiting ownership is a good idea and whether it can be done will depend on your state laws.


Limiting ownership is useless. If someone did that to me, I could easily form 6 different corporations for 6 different units and there is nothing you could do about it. On paper, its 6 different owners.

On a side note, it sounds completely unenforceable in court.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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I think trying to limit ownership is a rocky, pot hole laden, legally expensive, etc. road that it is best not to encourage one to go down.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
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Posted By JohnC46 on 12/30/2012 4:23 PM
I think trying to limit ownership is a rocky, pot hole laden, legally expensive, etc. road that it is best not to encourage one to go down.

I agree. If you were to limit rentals (say you may not rent a property during the first two years of ownership), this would also limit investors without going down the road of limiting how many properties an individual may own.
KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
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Posted By SteveM9 on 12/30/2012 3:00 PM

In answer to your original question, limiting ownership is a good idea and whether it can be done will depend on your state laws.


Limiting ownership is useless. If someone did that to me, I could easily form 6 different corporations for 6 different units and there is nothing you could do about it. On paper, its 6 different owners.

On a side note, it sounds completely unenforceable in court.

My thoughts exactly.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
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Sorry guys, but I fail to see much distinction in limiting ownership and limiting what an owner may do with the property he owns. "You can buy all you can afford but you cannot rent them all" would be harder to defend than "You can only buy two."

Steve, the possibility of forming separate corporations for each unit had never crossed my mind before. The costs of doing so could be quite a burden, depending on state law. In my state, a person would have to file articles of incorporation for each one, pay to publish each set of articles, file a separate annual report for each corporation, and file separate state and federal tax returns for each one. That's a lot of work and expense.

The CC&R's could be amended to prevent corporate ownership.
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
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Forming an corp can be done for as little as $29 and the corporation can exist in any state, not the state the units are located in. Filing requirements are also very easy and cheap depending on what state your talking about, taxes are easy, with software like quickbooks, and online tools, its much easier than you think.

It wouldn't fix the problem of current owners, as they would be grandfathered.

Another issue would be enforcement. It would be impossible for the HOA to enforce, as it would loose a court case to limit ownership. So the problem is, does the HOA spend limitless money on lawyers to fight people like this, and loose costing thousands? Or just it just make the rule and ignore people who ignore it?

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