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BobA (California)
Posts: 23
Posted:
Our CC&R's were poorly written in 1986 and the community didn't start growing until 1995 when a new developer took over and used the same documents that were recorded. The CC&R's do not have any fine structure only that your voting rights and use of common area can be taken away(hence it is only a piece of land no pool or tennis courts etc..) The CC&R's also state they can put a lein or foreclose on your home. I have been told that if there is no monetary value then they would not be able to put a lein or foreclose. There are always violations going on but they never get resolved. How can you enforce the covenants with out any type of strong enforcement. Also our HOA does not have an Attorney. the BOD's feels they do not need one.
JamesC (Maryland)
Posts: 282
Posted:
Bob:

On the home page of this forum, upper right hand corner type in ecactly your own wording. "Fines for Violations" then search.
You will find some great responses on this topic.
Good reading:

Jim
LanceT (Alabama)
Posts: 121
Posted:
Keep in mind that most states do NOT allow fines or late fees to be "lienable" or causes for foreclosure. It is illegal to do so. HOA's can lien for 2 reasons ONLY. 1. Non-payment of dues. Late fees can be added to this but can NOT be the basis of a lien. A certain interest rate may be added as well as dictated by law and your documentation. Legal fees are also included in liens/foreclosure amount owed. Liens/foreclosures do cost the HOA money to file in most states. California is the only one I've heard of that doesn't charge for lien placement. Our county charges $300 for a lien. Foreclosures depend more on the attorney charges. We paid $800. That means that the HOA is out that legal money plus the non-payment of dues until the owner pays up. NOTE: Suing an owner for money owed ONLY gets you a legal "judgement" it does NOT guarantee money. The owner can sell and move without paying the lawsuit judgement. With a lien the owner can NOT sell their house until it is paid off. Foreclosures, they lose the home.
2. This is an uncommon (But LEGAL) but there is another way for the HOA to place a lien or foreclose. For example: If a homeowner has violated the rules such as painting their house the WRONG color, they weren't approved to paint Sunset Orange. The board/ACC can vote to PAY a contractor to come in and PAINT an approved color. If the owner, doesn't pay the HOA back the money for the work, the HOA can then lien for the money owed. Certain violations such as NOT repairing a dangerous situation or installing something unapproved are to be done at the OWNER's COST to remove. IF the owner doesn't do it, then the HOA has the authority to do it and charge back the owner. This is different than violations such as No parking, speeding, or uniformity issues. Those types of violations aren't allowed to be liened upon.

Hope this broke things down enough for you. I'd hate to see you try to put in fines in your documentation only to find out that they really weren't enforceable legally. There are reasons why liens and foreclosures are considered as the "punishment" in a HOA and are allowable. They are the best legal instruments for a HOA to implement.

Recovering Ex-President of a HOA
HaroldS (Arizona)
Posts: 906
Posted:
Lance, in Arizona assessments are an automatic lien until paid. And here you can lien fine(s) if you get a court judgment first. (That's the only way you can be sure to collect on fines in event of a sale. (Smart homeowners are no longer allowing title companies to be a collection agency for HOAs.)
Your example No. 2 tho is a bit more complicated. Mechanic's liens vary from state to state (which is the type of lien you are talking about.) It would be wise to study your state laws very carefully before entering someone else's property to repaint, repair or remove something. Some contractors won't do this. You must be certain the charge is "reasonable" for the work performed. Since the homeowner has not contracted for or agreed to this work, the HOA would be liable for any and all other damages to the property in the course of doing the work. Harold
BobA (California)
Posts: 23
Posted:
James,

I have read thru most of the posts as you suggested. Also reading the following that happened in NC I am concerned because our CC&R's do not have any wording in them that would alow the formation of a fine structure. Under our By-Laws the Board can create rules and regualtions but would that give them the authority to creatre fines. One Board tried that but at the same time added wording to each of the specific restrictions, which they could not do with out a vote. Example, The restriction for Boats, trailers and travel campers states cannot remain on any lot for no more than 48 hours. They added excemption unless stored behind a fence or in the garage. Also there is nothing that states that court cost can be recouped. So our BOD can send letters after letter to homeowner in violation but without a fine structure is there another way to get there attention.

(The NC Supreme Court struck down amendments made by an association that added common fees where none existed before and also added rental restrictions. The court said that any amendment must be reasonable in light of the orignal contracting parties 'intent'. The NC court said that this requirement is currently being used in Arkansas, Florida, Illinois, North Dakota, Ohio, and Wyoming.

The interesting note here is that all amendments were made following the CCRs and Bylaws, but the court still struck them down because they were not 'reasonable' considering the expectations of an original buyer reading the original declarations.

The court said, "We hold that amendments to a declaration of restrictive covenants must be reasonable. Reasonableness may be ascertained from the language of the declaration, deeds, and plats, together with other objective circumstances surrounding the parties' bargain, including the nature and character of the community. Because we determine that the amendment to the declaration sub judice, which authorizes broad assessments "for the general purposes of promoting the safety, welfare, recreation, health, common benefit, and enjoyment of the residents of Lots in The Ledges as may be more specifically authorized from time to time by the Board," is unreasonable, we conclude that the amendment is invalid and unenforceable)
JamesC (Maryland)
Posts: 282
Posted:
Bob:

I have been waiting for Roger, to weigh in on this post, because he always seems to have the right answers.
The site you visited addresses most issues concerning homeowners
associations and our problems.
This is how our board handles fines for violations, and we have began to find them to be very effective.
At last years annual meeting we had a homeowners vote to begin fining for infractions. It was passed overwhelmingly.
You cannot do a lien against the violations, but we (Thru the Management Company) send them a first notice giving them fifteen days for compliance. Send them a second notice giving them five days for compliance. Send them notification to appear before the board for a hearing. If they show up and are reasonable (usually not)
we give them an additional time frame, but if they fail to show
then we fine them immediately.
We then add the fine to their account, which is added to their assessement for the next month.
We sought advice from our attorney about having a seperate account for just monies collected from this fining process, but he advised against it for the reason we would probably not be able to collect, unless we attached it to their assessement accounts.
We have twelve homeowners who are currently behind in their assessement fees to the tune of over $16,000. We have let our past attorney go, and now have a more aggressive firm that has began taking them to court. They have begun garnishing their wages. (INCLUDING THE MONIES FROM THEIR BEING FINED FOR THE INFRACTIONS)

Jim
HaroldS (Arizona)
Posts: 906
Posted:
Jim - Arizona law clearly states: "all payments received on a member's account shall be applied first to any unpaid assessments, for unpaid charges for late payment of those assessments, for reasonable collection fees and for unpaid attorney fees and costs incurred with respect to those assessments, in that order, with any remaining amounts applied next to other unpaid fees, charges and monetary penalties or interest and late charges on any of those amounts." So a homeowner can send in the exact amount of the assessment and all those other charges go unpaid. This was done to prevent HOAs from applying payments received to fines, interest, attorneys, etc. and thus leaving the assessment unpaid which is subject to foreclosure. As long as the homeowner keeps the assessment current, none of those other charges can ever be collected unless we get a court judgment. (This is called the lawyer's full employment act.)
Does your documents or state law really allow you to add fines to the assessment? Harold

JM2 (Oregon)
Posts: 439
Posted:
Hi Bob:

You might check to see if your documents allow the HOA to go to court for an injunction against homeowners to force compliance with the CC&R's and other rules & regulations. If so, that section may have some language with respect to court costs as well.

If you do have such language, then the BOD can take folks to court. The first thing the BOD would want to do is to hire a lawyer who specializes in HOA issues. Then, let everybody know that you will be enforcing the covenants (check your docs and state law requiring any advance notice; if none, either give them 21 days or a month's notice by newsletter or letter from your management company). Once the deadline is up, send out violation notices per your usual procedure, and let them know that the HOA will begin a lawsuit if compliance is not achieved. If folks are still reluctant to comply, begin legal proceedings. In many jurisdictions, some form of non-judicial resolution process may be required, which is a good thing - you might be able to resolve the violations without going to court.

Best of luck,

J. Patrick Moore, CMCA
JamesC (Maryland)
Posts: 282
Posted:
Harold:

Good post.
You ask: if our documents or state law "really" allows us to add fines to the assessment?
Yes! fines and legal fees are collectible in accordance with the Maryland Contract lien act.
Per our Rules / Regulations we have always had the legal right to fine homeowners for infractions, but the old Board of Directors had never enforced the ruling.
Under the advice of our "NEW" attorney, and because the rule had not been enforced for over a year (really never) we had to hold a special meeting of the members.
They voted overwhelmingly to begin going after the ones who directly pay no attention to the rules/regs.
I know in our state the homeowners associations are permitted wide lattitudes because we are a private community, and do not receive much from the county or state governments.

So far we have collected several hundred dollars, but they only pay the fine, and are still not paying their assessements.
The fine is then deducted from their assessement account.
Maybe its the threat, but by what ever means, it has begun to work.
If everyone just follows the established guidelines which are for the good of the whole community there would not, or should not be a need to fine anyone.

Jim
BobA (California)
Posts: 23
Posted:
Below is the wording from our covenants regarding Enforcement. The Bod could take you to court But they do not have an attorney nor is it even in our Bufget for any legal fees. The money would have to come out of the Street reserve. to pay for an attorney> Also there is nothing in the Covenants that state you can recoup your court costs, only for late assesments. I see where alot of you talk about adding the fines to the assesments. How legal is that? If peple continue to pay there assesments but not the fines when or where do you draw the line and start going to court?

Section 1^ Enforcement. The Association, the Declarant, OR any Owner, shall have the right to enforce, by any proceeding at law, or in equity, all restrictions, conditions, covenant:?, reservations, liens and charges now or hereafter imposed by the provisions of this Declaration. Failure by the Association or Declarant or by any Owner to enforce any covenant cr restriction herein contained shall in no event be deemed a waiver of the right to do so thereafter
DonaldM1 (Georgia)
Posts: 1
Posted:
My HOA is in the state of Georgia. I have a question about this example: If a homeowner has violated the rules such as painting their house the WRONG color, they weren't approved to paint Sunset Orange.

Can the HOA just put a lien on the house? Would the homeowner be fined daily?

Can the HOA foreclose on the house if the homeowner does not change the color?

BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Donald:

Some states don't allow liens to be placed except for overdue assessments which don't include fines. Therefore you wouldn't be able to foreclose in that scenario. What you can do is ask the homeowner to correct the error, if they don't within a reasonable amount of time you can fine them according to the fine structure your HOA has set up. Some documents give an HOA the right to enter the property and correct the violation themselves and charge the homeowner for the work. While it sounds good on paper, I don't know if that is a great idea because of the chance of physical altercations.
GloriaM (North Carolina)
Posts: 829
Posted:
Bob:

The NC Planned Community Act was amended January 1, 2006 to change the fines from $150.00 per day to $100.00. From my understanding in your post you are in NC?

If so you would fine in accordance with the Planned Community Act.

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