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MaureenM1 (PA)
Posts: 344
Posted:
I know this isn't a new topic but in my search the forums were several years old. We have a homeowner that rents his townhome and the tenants have a commerical vehicle which they park in common parking areas and/or their driveway, both are in violation of our bylaws/ccr's.

Our PM has sent the landlord the required warning letters and started issuing fines. Our PM also sent a letter to the tenants. The commercial vehicle continues to be parked common areas and driveway. It is allowed to be on our private property (roads are private) if parked in the garage.

Our PM is very frustrated and wants to put a red sticker on the car stating it will be towed if not parked in the garage. I am thinking this may be a little drastic as tenants do have rights.

Has anyone experienced this in their development. Again, our development is private on private roads.

any advice would be helpful.

Maureen
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
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Posted By MaureenM1 on 12/20/2012 3:44 PM

Our PM is very frustrated and wants to put a red sticker on the car stating it will be towed if not parked in the garage. I am thinking this may be a little drastic as tenants do have rights.

Has anyone experienced this in their development. Again, our development is private on private roads.

Before an Association can tow vehicles from common areas they must comply with your county/city towing ordinances. This typically requires specific signage of a specific size, font and in specific locations. If your enforce towing on one violator you need to enforce towing on all violators.

If the vehicle is parked in the driveway (vs. the roads), then I'm not positive that the Association has the authority to tow as the driveway would be private property.

I would suggest more research and perhaps legal advice prior to towing. Otherwise, the Association may end up paying for the tow, storage and any damages.

LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Maureen,

Could you quote the exact language from your CC&R's about who may park what where, including the definition of a commercial vehicle?
MaureenM1 (PA)
Posts: 344
Posted:

Our bylaws specify the following:

NO commercial vehicle, recreational vehicle, mobile home or similar types of vehicles no any unlicensed vehicle shall be stored at the Condominium other than within a garage with a door capable of closing when item is in garage

Automobiles may be parked only in the areas provided for the purpose. NO parking area or common elements shall be used for parking, storage or repair of :
1. Boats and/or trailers
2. House Trailers or Campers
3. Trucks or commercial vehicles

This is not in our bylaws but the Wikepedia definiton of a commercial vehicle is as follows:

A vehicle may be considered a commercial vehicle if:
• the title was placed in the name of a company or corporation.
• The vehicle is used for business but is in an individual's name such as a sole proprietor.
• the vehicle is a leased vehicle and in the name of the financial institution that owns it.
• the vehicle exceeds a certain weight or class and therefore is "classified" as commercial even though it may not be commercially used or commercially owned. A weight rating of 26,001 pounds or more is always consider commercial.[2]
• the vehicle is used to haul any hazardous material.

MelindaM3 (West Virginia)
Posts: 7
Posted:
At my former home the HOA had to use the state's legal definition of "commercial vehicle" since it wasn't defined in the covenants. So, what does your state say a "commercial vehicle" is?
MaureenM1 (PA)
Posts: 344
Posted:
PA state definition refers to CDL vehicles as in trucks, buses ,etc.

KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
Posted:
Sounds to me as if this tenant's car does not meet the legal definitions of a commercial vehicle and that the HOA would not be able to enforce their parking ban. I would think that any past fines or notices in relation to this situation should dropped.

The HOA should then look at clarifying their C&Rs to prevent something like this happening again.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
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Posted By MaureenM1 on 12/21/2012 8:05 AM

Our bylaws specify the following:

Problem Number One: Your declaration is the restriction on what can be done on the property. Your bylaws are internal documents as to how your association works, e.g. election of board members. Bylaws are not a substitute for property covenants and any attempt to enforce bylaws pretending to be covenants is doomed to fail.

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Posted By MaureenM1 on 12/21/2012 8:05 AM

This is not in our bylaws . . .

Problem Number Two: Vague language subject to many different interpretations. How do you intend to convince the judge that your interpretation is the one and only possible answer?
PaulT6 (California)
Posts: 409
Posted:
Basically, we define a "commercial vehicle" and/or a vehicle "used for business purposes" as any vehicle that is used to generate revenue.

"Commercial Vehicles. No commercial vehicle used for business purposes that is equipped with more than one (1) rear axle and/or two (2) rear wheels shall be parked on any property unless the vehicle is parked within a fully enclosed garage or carport, or is screened from view using an ASC approved method.

For the purpose of this section, a commercial vehicle used for business purposes is described as:

A full sized pickup truck or larger truck or van, or box van type vehicle equipped with dual rear wheels and any of the following: a flat bed, a utility bed, or permanently affixed commercial advertising."

You didn't describe the size, type or signage of it but possibly your Town has commercial vehicle restrictions that you could use as a reference even if you own the streets. A judge may be more willing to use the Town's codes rather than yours, which are somewhat lacking in details.

Paul T
MikeS1
Posts: 521
Posted:
Everyone has their own definition of commercial vehicle including the Feds, the state, our county, the Division of Motor Vehicles and all these government agencies have different classifications, definations and different reasons for defining a vehicle as commercial. The following was added to our docs in our parking resolution and I think that it's the best definination that I've seen.

"Commercial Vehicles. Parking of commercial vehicles in open view within the community is not allowed. A commercial vehicle is defined as any vehicle that (i) bears any visible commercial advertising signs, names logos, dealer tags (not license tag holders), letterings or initials (not including bumper stickers or similar sized stickers); or (ii) is used, or intended for use, as a car for hire or a work vehicle, which may be evidenced by open carriage of pipes, lumber or other work-related construction, equipment, machinery, materials or ladders, including but not limited to ladder racks, pipe racks, tools or other equipment; or (iii) vehicles designed or intended for use as commercial buses, cargo vans, express vans, delivery vans, flatbeds or trucks used for any other purpose other than for private/consumer use. Advertising is defined to include, but not be limited to the display of a company name and/or product name and telephone number and/or email address."

..and no it does not include the small dealer stickers where the vehicle was purchased.

PaulT6 (California)
Posts: 409
Posted:
Mike,

Your rule covers it well. I wish we could have written ours as well. However, we had a series of bleeding heart Directors whose self appointed mission in life was to protect the "little guy", regardless of what our C&R's said. So, our Committee had to compromise and make size the determining factor. I like yours better.

Maureen,

I think your rule needs to include something like the Wikipedia description, or as mentioned, something similar to your Town's restrictions, if they have any.

Your rule is similar to "If it looks, walks, and quacks like a duck, it is a duck". But, unfortunately, things need to be VERY specific. People that want to violate the intent of a rule can be very creative.

Paul T
MaureenM1 (PA)
Posts: 344
Posted:
thanks to all for all your advice. It has been very helpful.

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