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ChrisP5 (Missouri)
Posts: 165
Posted:
We have an open position open on our board due to a resignation that the board will appoint a member to fill. The developer has expressed an interest in the open position and has been invited to our next board meeting so that we can discuss the vacancy with them. As a property owner they are eligible to serve and we have a decent relationship with the developer (no construction issues, lawsuits, etc). I can see pros and cons to having this individual on the board which I will outline below. Am I missing anything and I am curious as to your thoughts on having the developer on the board.

Pros:

1) This individual has a strong knowledge of the history of the development. Our development is about 15 years old and transitioned to owner control several years ago. We occasionally run into issues where knowing the history would help with decision making or long range planning.

2) The individual is a successful real estate agent in the community and would bring a new point of view to the board about how our plans may be perceived by buyers and the real estate community.

3) They should have a strong understanding of our documents given that they were the developer and the importance of why the board needs to operate within authority granted by these documents.

Cons

1) Our development was set up with a land lease which requires each owner to make a monthly payment to the developer (the potential new board member) in addition to their association dues. Our association and the developer are often pursuing collection actions against the same individuals. My concern is that this individual may use information from our board meetings to make sure their company takes legal action before us to ensure they get a judgment first and receive priority in getting paid. We have a collections policy that we follow pretty closely although if an owner approaches us about payments or a potential situation we will try to work with them to avoid additional legal fees for the individual, etc.

2) Similar to above there could be confidential information discussed at board meetings that could benefit their real estate business although this is less of a concern to board operations.

I don’t think these are major issues but I want to make sure I am not missing anything and also make sure that we aren’t going to create any major issues for members of the association to find yet another reason to be upset out.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
If he or she is a member of the HOA and no longer in charge, then they can serve on the board. Most of the information you speak of them having access to would already be PUBLIC information. Liens/foreclosures are filed in a PUBLIC source like the local newspaper. They may even have some information on why they can't collect against an owner that you all don't have and vice-versa. Board members are the ONLY ones who should have access to information as far as collections. All other can know about expenditures.

It sounds okay to me if it sounds okay to everyone else. You will find out when it's election time and it's no longer an appointment situation.

Former HOA President
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Con #1 pretty well states why he should not be on the board. He will have a buit-in conflict of interest in that he would representing two different entities dealing with the very same people. None of the pros overcome this con.

Thank him for his offer but gracefully decline it. This person may be a resource to call on in the future and you really do not want to alienate or offend him.

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
I agree he should not be on the BOD for the #1 Con reason.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
I concur that this presents a conflict of interest.
CwlW (Delaware)
Posts: 7
Posted:
I find this all very interesting. Chris, would you mind giving us some more information on your situation? I'm curious, are the developer and the owner the same person? If not how does that work in your development? What is the "owner", who collects the land lease payments, responsible for in the development? What are the HOA fees responsible for? Is the developer now completely out of the financial picture? Does this developer live full time there?

I ask for this reason. I lived in a land lease development for 8 years. I owned my home, but rented the land my home sat on. When I moved two years ago, my monthly land rent was $1,000. The land owner, was responsible for all communal upkeep of all the grounds, pools, parks etc. Our HOA was a social group, and optional to join. Was a well groomed situation, until I retired, was now on a fixed income, and the land rents went up each year. With no protection from the State, as to how much the owner could raise the land rent each year. In one year, my lot rent went up 26%. So, as a retired person, now on a fixed income, it was best for me to buy a little condo, and have a stable mortgage payment each month.

My only concern with what you have stated, and it's not clear to me, if your HOA and the developer will still be mutually dependent on each other for services,etc., outside of him sitting on the Board? If that will be the case, it dosen't sound like an unbiased idea to me.
ChrisP5 (Missouri)
Posts: 165
Posted:
I missed the post from CwlW so to answer those questions and to update on the situation.

Our land lease is a monthly payment to the individual who developed our condo complex. They leased the ground back to the development for 99 years when the condo was completed. The developer pays the property tax on the land itself (each owner pays the property tax for their unit) but is not responsible for any upkeep or maintenance. All landscaping, etc falls to the association. Our fees do go up every few years but the increase is spelled out in the land lease documents which are part of our documents.

In our case the developer retained ownership of a few units to use as rentals. As a unit owner they are a member of the association and pay dues on those units.

To update on the original post...

This individual was voted onto the board. I did bring up the conflict of interest which others didn't see as being a problem. The rest of the board didn't see that it was a concern so we shall see how it goes. I do think this new board member will add some interesting insights but I'm not sure how the membership will see it.
KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
Posted:
Are there any covenants and restrictions that prevent board members from engaging in business dealings with the HOA?

Also, if there is concern about this individual trying to act legally first then you could always recuse them from any decision that may present itself as a conflict.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Chris and others.

Why a land lease? Does that not say come the end (I will not be here....LOL) but say they can do pretty much as they wish, like sell it out from under?

Help me understand.

Thanks
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Wow--interesting. I agree with those who say his conflict of interest could very well override his fiduciary obligation to your HOA. If he gets a "head start" on collections, your HOA could lose out.

One thing you could do (at least in CA) is that the rest of the board could form an executive committee and only this Committee would have access to the info that concerns you.

Recusal, in this case, doesn't seem workable or effective.

Are you on the board, Shannon? How long will this new director serve? How many accounts do you typically have headed for collection?
ChrisP5 (Missouri)
Posts: 165
Posted:
The land lease seems to be a popular tool for developers around here to make sure they have a stream of income into retirement. The two largest complexes in our area both have this type of arrangement. I didn't think that much about it when I purchased my condo but being on the board it does cause some problems since some owners have a hard time understanding that the land lease doesn't provide any funds for maintenance, reserves, etc. An interesting question is what would happen at the end of the 99 year lease, I'm not sure what happens at that point. Fortunately we have 85 years before that happens (I realize that sounds like owners who say we don't need reserve funds because I won't be here when the roof needs to be replaced).

In terms of excluding the new director from collections information etc I was the only one on the board who even thought it could be a potential concern so nothing along those lines will happen. I'm hopeful that this won't cause any issues.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Your talking about land leases. Just wanted to input something but not HOA related. Over in Mississippi just below Memphis there is a town called "Tunica". Some may have heard of it. It's all gambling casinos just south of Memphis on the river. Due to various conditions the casino's are all on barges. The law stated that the casinos could only be IN the river. So the casinos leased the land from the local farmers, dug giant holes, brought the barges in, and flooded the hole. So technically the casino's all are in the river. However, the actual entrances and hotels are on solid land. That land of course has a 100 year lease on it.

So you can imagine when that lease is up what could happen there...LOL! Thought you would like to hear an interesting story on land leases and some of their uses. The law has since changed I believe but they are still all floating casinos...

Former HOA President
ChrisP5 (Missouri)
Posts: 165
Posted:
I was curious as to what happens at the end of 99 years so I looked it up. According to our documents all of the buildings become property of the development company at the end of the lease.

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