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JillC3 (Florida)
Posts: 10
Posted:
Our building has 24 units. Last year we held a vote to allow leasing. At that time there were two units in receivership and one in probate. We were told that we needed to have 51% of 24 units to pass the change. Is this true the 3 units had been abandoned and there was no-one interested in voting on their behalf (banks). It is my understanding that if we have a quorum then the majority of the quorum is all we need. Who is right?
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Posted By JillC3 on 12/10/2012 7:44 PM
Our building has 24 units. Last year we held a vote to allow leasing. At that time there were two units in receivership and one in probate. We were told that we needed to have 51% of 24 units to pass the change. Is this true the 3 units had been abandoned and there was no-one interested in voting on their behalf (banks). It is my understanding that if we have a quorum then the majority of the quorum is all we need. Who is right?

Is your building the entire association?

Thanks
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
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Jill, if as John asked your entire Association is the 24 units then you would need 51% of 24 or 13 votes to pass the measure; abstaining from a vote has the same effect as a no vote. While an Association frequently has the option of denying a homeowner in delinquency the right to vote in homeowner elections, use of amenities, etc. IMO they do not have the right to deny their vote on matters related to changing the covenants. Also you frequently need the banks approval on covenant changes because you are in effect modifying the contract between the mortgage holder and the homeowner. Our CC&R's address this by saying basically if the banks don't agree, the homeowner is still bound by the change, we just can't hold the banks to it.

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MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
You need to check your STATE laws on restricting or allowing rentals. Unless your HOA actually owns ALL the properties, it can't limit rental use as it can't interefere with a contract of the owner. The only state that has any real solid restriction on Rental is California and that rule just passed last year.

I would read other articles on here for some rental background.

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JillC3 (Florida)
Posts: 10
Posted:
Thx Melissa, Our building is a condo in Fla and it has only 24 units in all. Since the vote last year it was agreed to remove the voting privilege from these units so we could vote again (this is accomplished). Now I am being told in order to bring this up again we need 2/3 of the 21 units remaining to vote to have this added to the agenda. I am a doer and this is just not happening (doing I mean).
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
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Posted By JillC3 on 12/10/2012 7:44 PM
Our building has 24 units. Last year we held a vote to allow leasing. At that time there were two units in receivership and one in probate. We were told that we needed to have 51% of 24 units to pass the change. Is this true the 3 units had been abandoned and there was no-one interested in voting on their behalf (banks). It is my understanding that if we have a quorum then the majority of the quorum is all we need. Who is right?

Did this require amending the covenants?

Normally, the covenants themselves will provide the language for amending them. If you have 24 units and require 51% of the owners to approve, then you needed 13 owners to agree to the amendment. Someone somewhere owns those three units you mentioned and they cannot be removed from consideration just because you are uncertain who the owners are or where they are.

Note that I did not mention anything about votes or quorums or meetings. Typically an amendment to the convenants requires that the owners sign a document to approve the amendment and that the amendment and signatures be recorded with whoever records deeds in your locality.

JeanneK3 (Maryland)
Posts: 562
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Maryland law must be different from Alabama's as one can restrict rentals with a bylaw change. Interesting how the states differ.
Jeanne
BarbaraP3 (Maryland)
Posts: 90
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Jeanne,
What MD law permits HOA's to restrict rentals?
Thanks, Barb
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
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Posted By JeanneK3 on 12/11/2012 2:10 PM
Maryland law must be different from Alabama's as one can restrict rentals with a bylaw change. Interesting how the states differ.
Jeanne

That's also different from Arizona. The courts here have ruled that restrictions on the use of the property may be accomplished only by amending the covenants. They ruled explicitly that property restrictions may not be created by amending the association's bylaws.

AdrikF (California)
Posts: 1
Posted:
Well that rule is valid,that you cant force other people. bureaux à louer
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
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Posted By AdrikF on 12/13/2012 2:36 AM
Well that rule is valid,that you cant force other people. bureaux à louer

Alas another SPAMER.

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