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NicoleW4 (Georgia)
Posts: 41
Posted:
What if you realize that a long standing Board memeber is not on the deed? The Board memeber has also been on the proxy list to be assigned proxy votes in many elections.

Also, the board only asks for one signature on the proxy letter. If there are two deeded property owners and only one signiture, can the board count that proxy as 2 or does it have to have both signatures? Are lawsuits brought by that Board invalid?

Also, what percent is needed for you to reach a quorem? Our covents states 2/3 rds and the Board keeps saying a quarter is present therefore a quorem is met. Would the pending lawsuit be invalid? The same flawed election practice continues to happen every year. So I am thinking there is no valid board. I am right?

Are the rules for Proxies expressly written in your Covenants? I see no proxy rights expressly meantioned.

Thanks,
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
Nicole,

You are asking a lot of questions. Most you should be able to answer by reading the current bylaws for your association.

1. Some association bylaws do not require every member of the BOD to be a homeowner. Our bylaws, for example, require only that a majority of the board members be homeowners.

2. For many associations, only one vote is permitted for each unit. One signature(that of any one of the co-owners) may be all that is required on a proxy. Also, check your state corporate laws to see how many signatures are required. Usually, it is only one.

3. A proxy is a representative of an individual that is entitled to vote. Unless your bylaws require that a proxy must be another homeowner, then the proxy can be anybody. Usually, in corporate law, a proxy does not have to be a member or a stockholder.

4. I would have to read your bylaws to determine what percentage constitutes a quorum. The 2/3 figure you are quoting might be the percentage of homeowners required to amend your covenants.

You need to provide more information.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Nicole

Name on the deed has been hotly debated relating to several subjects.

Names on the deed aside, most docs do say one vote per unit no matter how many are on the deed. Seems your voting system might need to be more detailed to be sure only one vote per unit and leave the name on the deed subject alone unless contested.

We had a wife and husband get into it about which was entitled to vote (they were having other issues........LOL) and both their names were on the deed. The Election Committee said this was not their issue. Only one vote per unit and if each other contested the others vote, neither vote could be counted.

FredS7 (Arizona)
Posts: 927
Posted:
> Only one vote per unit and if each other contested the others vote, neither vote could be counted.

Truly Solomonic.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
WOW Lots of questions.

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Posted By NicoleW4 on 12/10/2012 3:38 PM
What if you realize that a long standing Board memeber is not on the deed?

This depends on if your Association has qualifications that must be met to serve on the Board. This would be found in your governing documents. My Association doesn't have any qualifications. Therefore, anyone (member, non-member, resident, non-resident) may serve on the board.

What do your governing documents say?

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Posted By NicoleW4 on 12/10/2012 3:38 PM

Also, the board only asks for one signature on the proxy letter. If there are two deeded property owners and only one signiture, can the board count that proxy as 2 or does it have to have both signatures?

Typically, if there are multiple owners of a property, those owners must identify whom will cast the votes for them. Although this information should be provided to the board, in the case of spouses or families, it's typically not done. This one individual is the one who should be signing the proxies.

Proxies are typically covered under Corporate law (GA § 14-3-724) Basically, an Association must accept the proxy unless they have good reason to suspect it is not valid.

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Posted By NicoleW4 on 12/10/2012 3:38 PM

Are lawsuits brought by that Board invalid?

An Association, especially if it is incorporated (and most are), are legally allowed to bring legal action against others. The Board of Directors manage the Affairs of the Association. Therefore, legal actions initiated by the Board of Directors on behalf of the Association would be authorized.

Winning any legal action depends on the merits of the case and the judge/jury making the decision.

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Posted By NicoleW4 on 12/10/2012 3:38 PM

Also, what percent is needed for you to reach a quorem? Our covents states 2/3 rds and the Board keeps saying a quarter is present therefore a quorem is met.

It's rare that quorums are so high. The 2/3 requirement sounds more of what might be needed to adopt a change and not the quorum requirement.

GA § 14-3-722 defers to the governing documents. However, if the governing documents are silent, then 10% is required for a quorum.

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Posted By NicoleW4 on 12/10/2012 3:38 PM

Would the pending lawsuit be invalid?

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More info required in order to make comments.

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Posted By NicoleW4 on 12/10/2012 3:38 PM

The same flawed election practice continues to happen every year. So I am thinking there is no valid board. I am right?

Unless an election process is challenged, it is generally considered accepted.

Challenging the election, especially on procedural issues, may require legal action. I would recommend that you read and understand the applicable corporate laws, HOA laws and your governing documents. Then consult with an attorney for options.

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Posted By NicoleW4 on 12/10/2012 3:38 PM

Are the rules for Proxies expressly written in your Covenants? I see no proxy rights expressly mentioned.

Typically, the covenants or other governing document would only specify if proxies are allowed or not. Procedural issues are typically covered in Corporate laws (applicable if your Association is incorporated, and most are). In GA, the following corporate laws on proxies would likely apply:

§ 14-3-724. Proxies
§ 14-3-727. Validity of signature on proxy

GA laws can be reviewed at LexisNexis:

http://www.lexisnexis.com/hottopics/gacode/

Hope this helps

Tim
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Nicole what is the Association suing you for?

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
NicoleW4 (Georgia)
Posts: 41
Posted:
OK, I just reread the Covenants and By-Laws and there is a section on who qualifies as a Member:

ARTICLE III

MEMBERSHIP AND VOTING RIGHTS IN THE ASSOCIATION
Section 1. Membership. The membership of the Association shall
consist of (a) every record Owner, whether it be one or more persons, of
fee simple title to any real property situated within the Properties
excluding, however, the Association and those persons having such
interest merely as security for the performance of an obligation, and
(b) the Declarant subject to the following provisions of this Article
III. Membership shall be appurtenant to and may not be separated from
ownership of such real property, which ownership shall be the sole
qualification for membership.

The votes of the members shall be cast under such rules and procedures as may be prescribed in the Declaration or in these By-Laws, as amended from time to time, or by law.

It appears that Directors need not be members of the Association. But, if proxies are being assigned to a Director that is not a member, it seems that those proxy votes can not be cast since the proxy does not have the right to vote in the first place. Right?

Since each property owner is a member and has a right to vote, I beleive the elections are not being held correctly. 1/4 of voting members is a quorum. But getting to a quorum is not being determined correctly. The board states 200 homes * 1/4 therefore quorum met and move on.

These action have been challenged in a Countersuit. That is when the proxy votes were stated but still seem not to be applied correctly.

Am I correct in thinking that only a valid member with valid voting rights can be granted a proxy and then cast those proxy votes?

Thanks
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
It appears that Directors need not be members of the Association. But, if proxies are being assigned to a Director that is not a member, it seems that those proxy votes can not be cast since the proxy does not have the right to vote in the first place. Right?

If one of the owner of record signs the proxy, it is a valid proxy.

Since each property owner is a member and has a right to vote, I beleive the elections are not being held correctly. 1/4 of voting members is a quorum. But getting to a quorum is not being determined correctly. The board states 200 homes * 1/4 therefore quorum met and move on.

One vote per lot is a better way of saying it, and it should be in your CC&R's somewhere. Otherwise you could have 20 owners of one property all wanting a vote vs a single owner of another property. This is not a public election where every registered voter gets to cast a ballot but a corporate election. If you and your spouse own one share of stock in say P&G, only one of you may vote or assign your vote as a proxy even though you both own the stock. Quorum on 200 homes would be 50 either in person or by proxy.

Am I correct in thinking that only a valid member with valid voting rights can be granted a proxy and then cast those proxy votes?

If you are a homeowner, you could assign your proxy to me if you wanted.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
FredS7 (Arizona)
Posts: 927
Posted:
A comment about proxies

While it is common for a proxy to authorize the holder to vote in any way he sees fit, it is also possible for the proxy to authorize only specific votes. Since the way in which the proxy vote is used is determined by the owner, it is as if the owner is acting.
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
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Posted By NicoleW4 on 12/11/2012 7:40 AM
Am I correct in thinking that only a valid member with valid voting rights can be granted a proxy and then cast those proxy votes?

Thanks

No.

It appears you do not understand what a proxy is.

Consider this. I have a checking account in a bank. You cannot go to the bank and withdraw money from my account or close my account. However, if I have given you a Power of Attorney with no limitations, you can go to the bank and withdraw money from my account and you can close it, just as if you were me. You are my legal representative.

A proxy is similar in that it is a power of attorney to act for another person (you are the person's representative) for the purposes authorized by the proxy. Proxies have arisen out of corporate law. Let's say you own shares of General Motors. As a stockholder, you are authorized one vote for each share you own at the annual stockholder's meeting. However, the annual meeting is located a considerable distance from you and you cannot travel there. But, you have a friend who lives nearby and who is willing to represent you at the annual meeting and cast your votes for you. You therefore mail your friend a proxy to be your representative at the annual meeting and cast votes as your representative. Your friend does not own any stock in General Motors, but, as your proxy, may cast votes for you just as if she were a stockholder, or, put another way, just as though you were there in person.

Most HOAs are incorporated and so many often abide by corporate law and use proxies, unless prohibited by their governing documents or other state laws governing HOAs. The person holding the proxy does not have to be a member (homeowner) to vote. That person is not voting for himself/herself, but for the member (homeowner) who has signed the proxy. A person may cast one vote for each proxy he or she holds.
EllieD (Vermont)
Posts: 446
Posted:
NicoleW4, Re your questions about proxies - are you asking about a signed “General Proxy” or about a signed “Directed Proxy”?

Also proxies either General or Directed usually count toward determining quorum at a Meeting to elect Directors (Board Members). That should be spelled out in your Documents. Is it? Assuming that it is, would you post the exact words?

Also, you wrote “It appears that Directors need not be members of the Association”.

So is it correct to assume that “Directors need not be members” is stated in another Article of your Documents? And if yes, would you be willing to post the exact words.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Bylaws for the incorporated association are usually written originally by the developer. Typically, the developer does not reside in the community nor do his other toadies he appoints to board, so he does not require ownership of property to be on the board.

When control of the association passes to the owners, the owners can change the bylaws if they wish. In my association, most of the board members did not understand what the bylaws are nor did they understand that they had the authority to amend them. As a result, very few changes have been made to the bylaws and we still do not require a board member to be a property owner.

I am sure that there are many other associations with similar tales.

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