Pennsylvania HOA Board Top Secret Meetings

if open meetings required by either state law or CCRs - certified letter to the BOD showing documented requirement

recall - are YOU willing to serve?

attorney - are the actions in ? doing you any damage/harm?

sell out and move along

CAVEAT EMPTOR

Wow...too old or too stupid? Let me elect you to the board to represent me...You don't say if they have any OPEN meetings just closed ones. A board may have private meetings to get things in a row before going into a public meetings. So don't know if that is happening from your post.

The meetings don't sound too top secret if you know they happen. Like the other posters will say...If you want the job go for it. I would just lay off with the stupid and old comments about your neighbors to get you there...

DOH .. the builder actually IS in charge and can pretty much do as he/she pleases until 'turnover'

sorry, but i would respond to emails and issue minutes....thats all they need to do, and not ignore people

Well, I'm also having a trouble with your too-old-or-too-stupid language. It may reduce the replies that you get to your posts.

But given that you obviously are young and smart, please share with us the exact language and its source that 1. requires open meetings; 2. requires minute to homeowners. If these "secret meetings" actually are executive sessions, the board should not provide minutes to non-directors.

But it's difficult to imagine that every single thing the board discusses is confidential. . .

Once again we have a poster who comes to this site with what seems to be limited understanding of what is required versus how they think things should be handled. Is there in fact an open meeting required under PA. state law? I don't know but in NY there is no such requirement. Perhaps the OP should take the time to find out.

Is the Baord or in this case the developer required to provide minutes?
Perhaps the OP should take the time to find out.

As to responding by e-mail I doubt many properties would take on the job of responding to e0mails that make demands not required of the HOA or Board.

And the stupid and old comment IMO not the way to gain support as many if not most folks you degrade just might not wish to asist you in anything.

Yes again we get the "this is how I think it should be done." "I think the Board should _______." "I think without having any real understanding I know more than anyone else." "And if you don't agree you must be old, stupid, or both."

I think I see the problem...............

McgrathH,

My suggestion . . . read your declaration and by-laws carefully and completely. These docs provide the "instructions" that the HOA, Board, and Members are to comply with. You stated that the "rules" say the BOD is to issue minutes in 30 days. I assume you found that in the declaration or by-laws somewhere. If so, please provide the exact verbiage to this forum and people here can be of more assistance.

Also, "rules" are established by PA State HOA Law, the Uniformed Planned Community Act or Uniform Condominium Act. Just do a search online and you can find them.

Assuming the Uniform Planned Community Act is applicable to you . . . per PA law, only one "meeting of the association" is required per year. This means that the BOD can meet wherever and whenever they decide to meet and not extend the invitation to homeowners . . . which I suppose would make them closed meetings.

That being said, if you properly request minutes from those meetings (IAW what your docs say), then you should be entitled to receive those minutes. However, as people on this forum have already pointed out . . . you'll probably get a much better reaction from the Board, Developer, and Management Company (if applicable) if you politely and properly make your requests instead of making demands.

Good luck.

ND

I'll speak for myself.

The OP insults his neighbors and fellow owners as "old and stupid".

Then based on less than nothing other than their percieved failure to abide by the OP standards of what is right and necessary the OP goes on to label the Board members as "bozos" and then throws in their theory the Board members "might be on the take".

Now as a Board member myself, who as most do, volunteer my time to manage the affairs of the OP's property it would be difficult if not impossible for me to have any interest in dealing with the OP or considering their joining the Board.

When you know little and seem to understand less isn't it or shouldn't it be tough to find fault with the behavior of others? Or insult them and their ability to do their jobs and even question their honesty? In my world it would be.

YES, the OP should be running the show no doubt at least in their view. I would wonder if anyone else shared that opinion?

it is a 172 unit property that was started just as things went south in the market. the project is in a forebearance agreement now, and the banks control the money. We were promised a clubouse after 1/2 the homes were sold, that happened a year ago. we dont think it will ever happen, and the builder is evasive

Maureen:

It was clear McGrath was not interested in what the legal requirements were in Pa. but rather what he deemed necessary. He say so therefore it should be.

You live in an HOA in Pa. and complain about the Board and degrade the neighbors and fellow owners and yet yourself have no clue as to how or under what legal requirements your property operates.

Sounds like qualified Board member material to me.

Yes everyone else is the problem.

Hey McGrath you live in an HOA where the builder is still on the Board. Do you know how that affects the property's operation? Of course not.

PA. that would be the state where you live. There are 50 of those. DOES NOT REQUIRE OPEN BOARD MEETINGS. Can you grasp that?

Your neighbors, the old and stupid folks as you call them, they would seem to have an excuse as to why they bought. But someone like you who knows everyone what is your excuse?

And yes the bozos on the Board who you assume must be on the "take" seem to have your shorts all in a pinch.

So you insult your neighbors, insult the property's Board members, and resort to name calling. What a dream....

Small simpleminded ignoramous, those shoes would seem to fit you quite well.... try them on.

This for me is one of the interesting aspects of sites like this. Rather than people watching you get to people listen. And with time most people show you what they are and level at which they operate at.

Now I COULD come back and sink to the simpleminded level of McGrath and insult the entire population of Pa. Truthfully though I can not do so for several reasons. One, I spent a few years there attending college and for the most part the people I met there were decent folks who always treated me well. The second part, which clearly escapes someone with the mental makeup of McGrath, would be the fact that lumping together the entire population of one state (NY having a population of nearly 20 MILLION) and suggesting they all are _________s shows a clearly limited mind at work. Yes, in the world of the slow minded entire groups of people are to be written off their opinions not to be considered. Pretty clear to me McGrath's gene pool just wasn't all that deep.

And YES I read things pretty clearly. The neighbors are old and stupid, the Board members are bozos, the builder runs the property, and McGrath is the ONLY one who knows it all.

Then the story changes, now the "community" is upset about?????????? and McGrath is simply looking out for their best interests. You know the old and stupid ones. And then when you dare to question his wisdom you are insulted. Do you really think I give a crap about what simpleminded fool like you thinks? Do you really think your version of wit proves anything other then you being a moron?

My guess McGrath bought a piece of property that today is worth less than what he will pay for it over time with principle and interest. My guess looking back buying into this development was a BIG mistake because of the market crashing and the financial difficulties of he builder. My guess McGrath is not a happy camper and being unable to comprehend that some of this might have been no ones fault and some just might be his own fault, he chooses to blame everyone else.

Is it hard to figure out why people might not respond to his e-mails. Is it hard to understand why someone might not want him serving on the property's Board? Is it hard to put together why this Board might choose to hold private meetings? Is it hard to come to the conclusion that McGrath is at least a part of the problem? With his kind and thoughtful desposition and all.

I find it entertaining when small minds try to use their words in insulting people. Try, try, try as they might to muster together some meaningful display of their knowledge of the English language in an aggressive form they fail.

"Also, i am aware at your inability to read, so go have another donut and take your coat off the treadmill and use it. (the treadmill that is) peace out