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BonnieG1 (Nebraska)
Posts: 1,186
Posted:
We have just passed a resolution that the garage space of an unoccupied unit can not be used for common storage. After the owner is given a notice to remove the items, we will access a fine of $10.00 per day if the items are not removed and if this is not paid we will put a lien on the unit.

It seems like I read on here at one time that an Association cannot place a lien on a unit for fees such as this, only for acctual assessemtn fees and late fees on the assessment fee.

I would appreciate any ideas or comments anyone has about this. This is related to the underage man that may be still "living" in the unit. He has moved his vechicle off site a few blocks away.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Most states do not allow fines to be the basis of liens. The states that do allow this require going to small claims court then the lien can be filed after that. You need to look up your States laws in regards to this before proceeding.

It is good you have a resolution and a fining schedule in place. It just needs to be made sure that ALL members are aware of it and have a copy. Otherwise you may face many hot headed members to complain.

Former HOA President
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Bonnie

Are you saying that you have a garage space assigned to each unit and the space is to be used to park a vehicle (even a bicycle, moped, motorcycle, etc.) but not for general storage?

Makes perfect sense to me as you do not want the parking spaces to be come piles of junk.

Even if the unit does not own the parking space, it is assigned to the unit and fining for misuse only seems fair to me.

Hope this helps.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By BonnieG1 on 11/21/2012 7:44 PM

It seems like I read on here at one time that an Association cannot place a lien on a unit for fees such as this, only for actual assessment fees and late fees on the assessment fee.

As Melissa said, you need to check your State laws.
For us, VA allows us to treat fines as assessments.

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Posted By BonnieG1 on 11/21/2012 7:44 PM

We have just passed a resolution that the garage space of an unoccupied unit can not be used for common storage.

I hope that isn't the language used.

It could be interpreted that when a unit is unoccupied (meaning the condo is empty) the Association may not use that unit's garage for storage of Association (common) items.

OR

It could be interpreted that when a unit is unoccupied (again, the condo) their garage may not be used by other members of the Association.

OR

It could be interpreted that if a unit (condo) is occupied, the garage may be used for storage but if the unit (condo) is unoccupied, the garage may only house a vehicle.

BTW:
Does common storage include tools, washer fluid for the vehicle, etc. ?
What defines occupancy?

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Posted By BonnieG1 on 11/21/2012 7:44 PM

I would appreciate any ideas or comments anyone has about this. This is related to the underage man that may be still "living" in the unit.

Personally, I don't think it's appropriate to adopt a rule/guideline to go after one individual or unit. The Board must do what is best for the whole membership.

If the garage is enclosed and deeded to the owner or is limited use common area, I don't see a problem if the individual wants to store holiday decorations or other things in the garage providing the number of vehicles it was designed to hold can still be parked there.

In your previous thread about this individual, suggestions were made to contact the police and/or fine the owner. This, in my opinion, should be the course of action for the Association. The Association should not be creating rules and regulations because it may make it more difficult for the individual to stay there.

CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Bonnie, if there are a lot of spaces in one garage (like we have), our rules state that ply one car and personal shopping cart may be kept in the space. Each space is deeded to a unit and is exclusive use common area. But I can't tell what your situation is. If like ours, you should be able to notify the Owner that the stuff will be removed and stored for xx amount of days. In the notice, in form him that if not retrieved after xx # of days it'll be donated or discarded. But you need to check, probably your state laws, on this final step.

I agree with Tim that your Board's wording sounds unclear.
BonnieG1 (Nebraska)
Posts: 1,186
Posted:
Carol, we have 43 units and only 31 garage parking spaces. If an owner is not using the space assigned to his unit, the unit may be rented to another owner.
In 2006 (before I moved here) the board make a decision that items could be stored in the parking spots, but only as far as 3 feet from the wall or the garage and nothing on the sides of the vehicle. But since this was not made in the form of a resolution, it got lost in the Board minutes.

The owner of this unit had stored a large boat in the parking space, even when his mother-in-law owned the unit. So his family has the idea that parking spaces are storage spaces. The person who was manager at the time gave him permission to store the boat. No one that I know off liked having that boat in our garage.

I like your idea about us remvoing the items etc.. I have even mentioned that regarding other storage in parking spaces.

I informed our other Board members of what was mentioned on this site regarding the wording of our resolution.
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
I still need some clarity, Bonnie. You say that the spaces are "assigned" to each unit. Does that mean that each is not deeded to a unit? If not, "who" rents out the spaces? Your HOA?

As I wrote before, our spaces are exclusive use common areas, which means the Board can make rules about them per our CC&Rs. Our HOA maintains them, e.g. stripes the spaces, paints the bumpers, cleans the floors and also power washes them once a year. We have three levels of parking. We have 298 spaces and 211 units. Many 1-bd. units have only one space.

We also have many space for motorcycles that belong to the HOA. Residents can register for them, get a sticker & park in them for free.

What do your governing documents say about storing items in parking spaces? Our CC&Rs state that our Rules & Regulations will set the rules for the spaces. Our R&Rs say one car per space, and specify, no boats, trailers, etc. The Rules permit us to rent out our spaces to residents only. A few years ago, the Board added one personal shopping cart per space (we're in an urban setting & lotsa folks walk to the supermarket, etc.) We also aren't permitted to work on our cars in our parking spaces--can't even, for instance, vacuum them out. There are potential calls to hearings & fines if fluids leak onto our coated floors.

Your Board never should have allowed your former PM to permit a boat in a space.

I personally would really hate it if items could be stored in the spaces, and i also can see safety issues (storing contains of gasoline). Each unit has a deed storage locker, though, in large areas off of the garages. They're about 8X4X5" high.

I'm trying to point out, Bonnie, that your CC&Rs may already give the Board authority to make rules about the spaces. But they must be carefully worded.
BonnieG1 (Nebraska)
Posts: 1,186
Posted:
Yes, most spaces are not deeded to a unit, but assigned to a unit. Some owners have taken the effort to get their space deeded to them, but most are not deeded.
The owners may rent their space to another owner.

Our governing documents to my knowledge are silent on what the spaces may be used for. I will need to review them to be certain.

But in 2006 the Board made a decision that limits storage to 3 ft in front of the wall. I hope to in the future have what you have as to no boats or trailors. But I have three or four more resolutions I need to type before our next board meeting.

The other problem I mentioned in another post is a man (probably in his 30s) living in the unit as this is a retirement community. He was basically snuck in when the owner told us "workmen" would be coming and going. Our lawyer has written a letter and we have written a letter to the owner and placed our letter under the door of the unit.

Our lawyer has advised we get an injuction against this young man. I am not certain what that is. According to the research I have done, It looks like a restraining order.

One of our residents has suggested we get the sheriff to come get him out. This owners daughter is a realator and has had to use the sheriff to evict people. But since we are not renting the unit to him I don't know if this would be a good idea or not.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
A few issues wanted to mention here. Any legal type communications should be done through CERTIFIED mail ONLY. Putting a letter in the mailbox or under a door does NOT suffice as official notice. Plus the letter should go to the owner's address in the HOA. As it is the legal address of the owner in the HOA. However, a copy can be sent to their home as well if it elsewhere and the HOA has confirmed this. Just make sure both addresses are notified and it is the owner.

The injunction is more or less a court ruling that isn't quite a lawsuit but not a restraining order. It gives the power to evict a person. However, the HOA would NOT have this power to do this on a renter in their HOA unless the HOA directly rents the property out. It is the OWNER's responsibility to obey the HOA rules and make sure their renter does to. IF the HOA could do an actual injunction against this person it would have to be one for SQUATING. There is a thing called "Squater's rights" which is kind of tricky. However, if you can prove this person is a squater and NOT paying rent/have a rental agreement, then the court may indeed allow the HOA to get an injunction in order for the Sheriff's department to serve on them. I think that is what the lawyer is talking about when suggesting the injunction. You can't just call the Sherriff's department and just toss someone out. It has to go through the legal system first.

Former HOA President
BonnieG1 (Nebraska)
Posts: 1,186
Posted:
Even if the person living in the unit is paying rent to the owner, they are not abiding by our documents. As there are specific clauses needed to be in a lease agreement and any lease agreement must be approved by the Board.

The letter that we sent to the owner was sent registered mail. I didn't think about sending registered mail to the young man living in the unit, but you bring up a good point.
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:

If the Board knows for sure that the unit's being occupied by someone underage, can't your Board call the Owner to a hearing and fine him for not complying with your CC&Rs. You've moved onto this topic, but it doesn't match your subject line, so you may want to start a new post about getting the guy out of the unit.

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