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MichaelB2 (Florida)
Posts: 12
Posted:
I am living in a nightmare. We just had a special meeting/vote to allow the board to sue one of our residents for a fence (in a horse community.) 3 of the ballots were neither signed or lot identified and the president said 'count them'. The vote was 32 to 30 to sue and we had 30 lots that did not vote.
I stood up and spoke at the meeting along with several others and the next day the president is down at my house telling me I have 30 days to move my fence off the easement. It was run that way (the fence) to avoid the power box. It has been there for 7 years and never a word until I spoke out.
Heres another, our corporation status became inactive for a year and a half from 04 to 06, when they realized it they just renewed it with no vote.
Oh it gets better, we have many 'illegal sheds' as per our restrictions, rod iron fencing when our restrictions only call for wood only, properties being subdivided (without proper association vote)and many violations the board simply refuses to address.
We have 91 lots ranging from 2 to 35 acres and it has taken over 30 years for our subdivision to get close to being built out so you can imagine we are a very deversified in the sizes and styles of our houses.
What we basically have is two divided groups of owners and the 'new group is close to gaining some control over the selective enforcement and dictatorship.
Whats really disappointing is we have about 100k in a road fund that were afraid will get eaten up by attorney fees.
Please anyone feel free to give advice on any of these issues. Thank you!
JoeW1 (New York)
Posts: 728
Posted:
michaelB2 - your president can cry all he/she wants, you just had to take a vote to sue, what's makes the president he can bully you into moving the fence without a vote of the community? speak with your local code department and discuss the location of your fence, get their opinion on it's need to avoid the box, and seek a variance in writing. provide the entire board c/o the management company (if you have one) a letter explaining the fence location, the reason it is located there to avoid the power box, the amount of time it has been located there, and the borough's recommendation you get a variance. i assume the 3 unsigned ballots were in favor of suing? if so, the real election results were 29 to 30. does your hoa provide owners adequate written notice of a cc&r violation, a date fines will be imposed, and an ADR (alternative dispute resolution) procedure to discuss the violation and come up with an amicable resolution.
CandyB (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 11
Posted:
It appears that your HOA is selective in enforcing the by-laws, rules or whatever type of document guiding your community. As many variances exist, it appears there's a complete lack of control of and adherence to those rules and regulations. I'm not sure how your community can gain some order to the chaos, but in order for you to support your fence problem I agree with the previous respondent. If you have a management company, you may want to contact them for advice. Also, go thru your by-laws rule by rule and note where the great many variances exist. Present that at a community meeting, ask for the current Board members to be impeached, run new elections and stick to the by-laws going forward. Sounds almost impossible.

I would also suggest keeping a log of all occurences, conversations, and confrontations in case you need to go to court. Our community has had to "fight" to restrict the building of a free-standing garage on one of the homeowners properties and due to the meeting minutes and various other documents, it appears our HOA will win the suit. Our by-laws restrict such a building even tho' the original builder of the development said they could do it. County regs, we have found, also restrict it. So, by sticking to our guns, contracting a good attorney and documenting all conversations - it seems to have served us well.

Good Luck!

MichaelB2 (Florida)
Posts: 12
Posted:
Thank you both for the reply and anyone feel free to weigh in.
To answer a couple questions, yes the unsigned votes were to sue and no our CC&R have no guidance for disputes except to say losing partys pay all attorney fees. we have no management company and a few years ago when I requested official records (and denied) the President and secretary both admitted to never even having read the Fl statutes for HOA's. We have 400k to 1 mil plus houses but there are just enough 'old timers' to get votes to keep themselves in office, mainly because nobody wants to do it and anyone who tries is subjected to harassment. Its sad because for years we had a very quiet community but now we are very divided. We are keeping logs and information about the selective enforcement and this is headed for court. It is ashame to waste all the money after we have had a pattern of selective and nonenforcement.
Does anyone have any experiences with how the courts look at selective enforcement?
LindaC3 (Florida)
Posts: 526
Posted:
MichaleB2-- With regards to HOA in Florida--- You are not allowed to automatically SUE---- You are required to go thru the arbitration and mediation process outlined in the Florida State Statues 720... It would behoove you to go print and read these documents and inform your HOA BOD Attorney of such.... The fact that he/she isn't aware of this due process is somewhat puzzling to me... i do not believe the HOA as a whole is "allowed" to vote as to sue or not to sue.....How silly is that ??? Could you tel me what county you are in ?? I too,live in an HOA in Florida and become well versed on the Statutes..........A great deal of HOA'S have no idea that these Statutes even exist or that they are bound to follow them......Keep us in the loop...LindaC Florida
MichaelB2 (Florida)
Posts: 12
Posted:
Lindac, thank you so much for your reply. I live in Pasco county. We did go to arbatration and it was a standoff after 2 hours. A ammendment was pass to our CC&R several years ago (after another lost lawsuit) that required the board to have a special meeting and vote to persue ' a legal remedy' which many of us felt like should have been done BEFORE we spent 2k in attorney fees and mediation fees on this issue. We are questioning the board about the vote which had 3 proxy votes not signed or identified but counted. Our board is made up of 4 retired guys who have nothing better to do but selectively target and intimidate. Remember the president came down to my house the day after this meeting to start attacking me because I spoke out at the meeting, telling me I have 30 days to move my fence off the easement after it has been there for 7 years. People in here live in fear of being harassed, thats why we had 30 of our 92 lots that didn't even vote. We have had major deed restriction violations like rod iron when our rr call for wood, then approved after the fact. A 2 car garage closed in to become a game room when we are required to have a 2 car garage, unpaved driveways and the list goes on and on but yet we are suing because someone put up a board fence that has a top board a bottom board and boards in the middle and believe it or not its just like the fence at their first house in here. Yes you read that right, they owned one house in here, got transfered to calf and 2 years later mover back into the community in another house. Don't want to overload you with too much info. Comments of questions?
MichaelB2 (Florida)
Posts: 12
Posted:
our board is made up of 7 members, but these 4 have a block. The secretary is a 'lifetime board member' absolutely lives for it. This past election he only won by 2 votes and after this voting problem, it makes us wonder what the real vote was for our general election. This is a win at all costs person. This is a board that does not want you to speak. Check out our attempt at a website pascotrails.com
JM2 (Oregon)
Posts: 439
Posted:
Hi Michael:

If a ballot or proxy isn't signed, I doubt it would be valid. It would be interesting to see what a judge would say about that.

J. Patrick Moore, CMCA
LindaC3 (Florida)
Posts: 526
Posted:
Michael---- Below is FSS 720.306 meetings of Members,voting and election procedures,amendments....

(8) PROXY VOTING.--The members have the right, unless otherwise provided in this subsection or in the governing documents, to vote in person or by proxy. To be*** VALID***, a proxy must be dated, must state the date, time, and place of the meeting for which it was given, and must be signed by the authorized person who executed the proxy. A proxy is effective only for the specific meeting for which it was originally given, as the meeting may lawfully be adjourned and reconvened from time to time, and automatically expires 90 days after the date of the meeting for which it was originally given. A proxy is revocable at any time at the pleasure of the person who executes it. If the proxy form expressly so provides, any proxy holder may appoint, in writing, a substitute to act in his or her place.

Linda C

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