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NancyG3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 342
Posted:
Would like some input regarding our Assn Board. We have a Board member, the VP, that is very sick fighting cancer. This has been going on for months. He has attended very few monthly Board meetings, and was not at our annual meeting and the homeowners were told he was ill fighting cancer. In one of the monthly meeting minutes it stated he wasn't in attendance but was on the phone. I would like opinions on if he should remain on the Board or how could we ask him to resign. There is nothing in our Covenants to cover this situation and I can't find anything in the Planned Community Act. There are suppose to be 5 Board members. There were 2 people that ran for the Board this past year but weren't elected. Our Covenants do not have anything in them about if a member of the Board doesn't attend meetings. I know this seems heartless, but.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Nancy

It does border on kick him to the curb while he is down.

Are there not enough on the BOD to operate the place?
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Quote:
Our Covenants do not have anything in them about if a member of the Board doesn't attend meetings.


So create a provision that states board members must attend meetings or its considered an automatic resignation. Something like that. You will likely only have 1 vote against it and it will pass. The guy is sick, I get it, but the HOA must conduct business.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Simply have one of the board members ask if they would consider stepping down. It's the board's job to assign positions but they can't fire a board member. Maybe they can ask that they re-assign the VP position to another board member and allow this person to continue being a board member.

When are your elections and what are the terms of the board members? Time may just work out the next election cycle to not be elected. Probably the same amount of time it's taking to get a resignation and filling the spot.

The owners would have to have a board member recall if they want to remove this board member. Now, that wouldn't come across very nice would it? Is there really a problem with this situation other than the appearance they can't or don't attend meetings? Is the job not getting done? By the way, the position of VP isn't that important of a position if you read the responsibilities. It doesn't mean they take over as President if something happened to the President. Their only responsibility is to take a meeting on the President's behalf if the President couldn't make it. That's it. The board would vote on who out of the board members would get the new President position. It doesn't necessarily mean the VP automatically gets the position. However, read your CC&R's to see the responsibility of each position.

Former HOA President
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
I'd talk to him first - perhaps he hasn't resigned because he feels obligated to participate in some manner, even though he heasn't been at the meetings. Personally, I think his priority should be his health, so the board should express the same sentiment and assuring him he's not obligated to stay on the board if he cannot devote the time needed for it.

You will also need to amend your documents to deal with these situations in the future. Our Bylaws state a board member will be removed if he/she misses three conscecutive meetings, but the Board has also granted leaves of absences for the same period if a member has some personal matters he/she must deal with - if the person doesn't return after 3 months, he/she's off the Board.

So far, it's worked pretty well. Our previous board president was given a leave when she had a bout with breast cancer and the Board has also granted me a leave for the past two years, as I have a seasonal part time job every spring (I can't afford to turn down the work and have always offered to resign if they don't want to give it to me). We may need to grant our current president a leave of absence because he's also fighting cancer. Fortunately, we've finished our work for the year so he may be back in January when we resume meetings.


If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
JonD1
Posts: 2,350
Posted:
Wow...... you just finish your 2+ year crusade with the Board over a drain pipe and within a day or two have now moved on to your next issue that demands action in your opinion. I would have thought your celebration was not yet done.

You have a Board member sick with cancer and your charming thought is to ask them to resign and move over to make room for their replacement. Always doing what's right and decent huh Nancy...All in the name of doing what's right for the property no doubt.

Have you thought about maybe pulling the plug to get what you want.

Why not stop over at the hospital yourself and see if they would sign a letter of resignation for YOU because you live to do the "right" thing.

I had a close friend die after a battle with cancer. I spent 18 days sitting by her side in the hospital till she passed. Just my opinion I find your CONCERN sickening.

Heartless....... at the very least. I have a few other less polite terms I would use to describe your "suggestion".

KARMA you get back what you gave........

Empathy the ability to feel for what others are going through. Guess Nancy you either ran out or never had any!
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JonD1 on 11/15/2012 6:45 AM
Wow...... you just finish your 2+ year crusade with the Board over a drain pipe and within a day or two have now moved on to your next issue that demands action in your opinion. I would have thought your celebration was not yet done.

You have a Board member sick with cancer and your charming thought is to ask them to resign and move over to make room for their replacement. Always doing what's right and decent huh Nancy...All in the name of doing what's right for the property no doubt.

Have you thought about maybe pulling the plug to get what you want.

Why not stop over at the hospital yourself and see if they would sign a letter of resignation for YOU because you live to do the "right" thing.

I had a close friend die after a battle with cancer. I spent 18 days sitting by her side in the hospital till she passed. Just my opinion I find your CONCERN sickening.

Heartless....... at the very least. I have a few other less polite terms I would use to describe your "suggestion".

KARMA you get back what you gave........

Empathy the ability to feel for what others are going through. Guess Nancy you either ran out or never had any!

while you may not agree with Nancy's question, this type of attack has no place on this board and brings you down to the level you accuse her of being at.
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
a former co-worker of mine had an excellent term:

picture the accent

SCUMMA-DE-BAG
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By NancyG3 on 11/15/2012 6:10 AM
Would like some input regarding our Assn Board. We have a Board member, the VP, that is very sick fighting cancer. This has been going on for months. He has attended very few monthly Board meetings, and was not at our annual meeting and the homeowners were told he was ill fighting cancer. In one of the monthly meeting minutes it stated he wasn't in attendance but was on the phone. I would like opinions on if he should remain on the Board or how could we ask him to resign. There is nothing in our Covenants to cover this situation and I can't find anything in the Planned Community Act. There are suppose to be 5 Board members. There were 2 people that ran for the Board this past year but weren't elected. Our Covenants do not have anything in them about if a member of the Board doesn't attend meetings. I know this seems heartless, but.

Nancy

here is my 2 cents...yes it is a little cold to be thinking of this but on the other hand life does move on and business has to be conducted. My first thought as someone else put it, is this position essential to the operation of the HOA, if not then let the sporadic attendance go until the time of your next elections.

If it is critical i would talk this approach. Have someone on the board visit him and talk to him. As someone pointed out maybe he feels obligated to the HOA and doesn't want to leave you in a bind by resigning. Maybe this is important to him and gives him something to look forward to when he can make it. Perhaps suggest that resigning from the board may give him the time needed to fight his illness, but make it clear his opinions and attendance are still wanted at meetings. Perhaps find a committee he can be a part of.

But I would not say we want you to resign because of your cancer, let the decision be his after having some options thrown out there.
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
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Posted By JohnB26 on 11/15/2012 7:20 AM
a former co-worker of mine had an excellent term:

picture the accent

SCUMMA-DE-BAG

why do we feel it is necessary to go there?
PaulT6 (California)
Posts: 409
Posted:
Nancy,

Suggest you cut the poor guy some slack. It appears he is trying to contribute. Maybe he sees it as something to focus on other than his illness, business can wait.

Paul T
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Nancy,

Quote:
Posted By NancyG3 on 11/15/2012 6:10 AM

We have a Board member, the VP, that is very sick fighting cancer.

Sorry to hear that. Fortunately, the VP position is one that typically has very few assigned duties (but may have many of the special projects).

Quote:
Posted By NancyG3 on 11/15/2012 6:10 AM

In one of the monthly meeting minutes it stated he wasn't in attendance but was on the phone.

Being on the phone is being in attendance. The phone should be on speaker and centered in the table so everyone can hear him and he can hear everyone else. It appears that those minutes may need to be amended.

Quote:
Posted By NancyG3 on 11/15/2012 6:10 AM

I would like opinions on if he should remain on the Board or how could we ask him to resign.

He was properly elected and should be allowed to serve.

The board can always ask someone to resign at any time.
However, unless there is an issue that work isn't being done I would not ask them.

Tim
FredS7 (Arizona)
Posts: 927
Posted:
> I would like opinions on if he should remain on the Board or how could we ask him to resign.

Why exactly do you have a problem? Do you not have a quorum to conduct business? Is the board dealocked on a crucial issue?

If there is no problem then do nothing.
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Bad things happen to good people everyday.

If he cannot perform his duties he is doing more harm to the HOA than good.
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By BradP on 11/15/2012 7:22 AM
Posted By JohnB26 on 11/15/2012 7:20 AM
a former co-worker of mine had an excellent term:

picture the accent

SCUMMA-DE-BAG


why do we feel it is necessary to go there?

let's throw toric ka-ka for hour upon hour instead
PaulT6 (California)
Posts: 409
Posted:
If he is unable to effectively participate, perhaps you could "temporarily" appoint a Committee Chairman or other qualified person for "emergencies" to make a quorum? As others have mentioned, if he can contribute, thank him.

Paul T
NancyG3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 342
Posted:
Thanks folks. This was something that just came up and I don't intend on doing anything. I was just looking for everyones input in a case like this. I would never approach our Board about this. This was just for my information. Before asking I did go to forum search and there wasn't anything there. There are still 4 Board members and they are very capable of handling everything. So I'm not kicking anyone to the curb or stirring up any problems and for the ones that took this the wrong way, I do feel sorry for this man and his family. Thanks for your input.
JonD1
Posts: 2,350
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By NancyG3 on 11/15/2012 6:10 AM
Would like some input regarding our Assn Board. We have a Board member, the VP, that is very sick fighting cancer. This has been going on for months. He has attended very few monthly Board meetings, and was not at our annual meeting and the homeowners were told he was ill fighting cancer. In one of the monthly meeting minutes it stated he wasn't in attendance but was on the phone.

"***********************I would like opinions on if he should remain on the Board or how could we ask him to resign.********************"

There is nothing in our Covenants to cover this situation and I can't find anything in the Planned Community Act. There are suppose to be 5 Board members. There were 2 people that ran for the Board this past year but weren't elected. Our Covenants do not have anything in them about if a member of the Board doesn't attend meetings. I know this seems heartless, but.

Pretty simple and easy to understand. "or how WE could ask him to resign."

I love how one person's marvelous idea now becomes something WE should work on. Board member? No she was forced off her Board? Anyone wonder why? But still looking to find the next great battle.

Dispicable behavior throughout..................
NancyG3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 342
Posted:
JonD - You are a jerk and a very nasty person. I wasn't forced off the Board. I resigned because of jerks and nasty men like you. Your behavior is dispicable. I wonder what has happened to you in your life that makes you so nasty. Maybe you were the one that was forced off your Assn Board. Why can't you just drop it. You have already posted your nasty remarks why continue. Why are you always looking for a fight? Just get over it. I have the input from the more intelligent people. So just drop it. Go get a life.
JonD1
Posts: 2,350
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By NancyG3 on 11/16/2012 2:05 PM
JonD - You are a jerk and a very nasty person. I wasn't forced off the Board. I resigned because of jerks and nasty men like you. Your behavior is dispicable. I wonder what has happened to you in your life that makes you so nasty. Maybe you were the one that was forced off your Assn Board. Why can't you just drop it. You have already posted your nasty remarks why continue. Why are you always looking for a fight? Just get over it. I have the input from the more intelligent people. So just drop it. Go get a life.

Nancy you should go back and reread your own postings you quit the Board because no one wanted you to serve. Your own words,even the homowners didn't like you or what you pushed. You fought for more than 2 years over a stupid drain pipe. Called the city, called the state, called the Board, called God knows who! I am sure all of them just had a blast responding to your nonsense. Bottom line the pipe is in. You went to court and lost. Now you can explain that away and make excuses but the truth is you LOST! Then when the Board requests you pay the cost of re-installing the same pipe YOU removed you fight that! Then and here is your answer, when the court rules in your favor you need to come here and pound your chest as if you really won something. Well, what you in fact did was stick your neighbors with that bill! Along with any court costs you have caused over the last few years. Is that really hard for you to see that?

Lets see the members of the Board don't have any use for you.
The homeowners really had no use for you.
Your neighbor harbors ill will towards you.]
But you won. Yeah, that makes sense..............

THEN YOU just can't let it go. Then YOU decide to take on the BIG problem of a man fighting cancer serving on the Board. Are you a Board member? Of course not, no one wants YOU serving! Anybody ask you to stick your nose into this? Of course not, my guess no one cares what you think!

But if you could just throw this sick man off the Board that would be another WIN for Nancy. Adding to the woes of a man sick with cancer my, my Nancy Mom and Dad would have to be so proud of their little girl....

So here we go just how can Nancy stir up this issue and "WE" can now ask him to resign? "WE" is plural you Nancy thank God are singular. Here's a little advice for you, mind your own GD business and stop meddling in things that don't concern you.

Throughout the "pipe" ordeal you have shown yourself to be an obnoxious, belligerent, PIA. No wonder why you find yourself where you are today.
That neighbor still have nice things to say to you?

Then you decide to satisfy your own needs to control things despite the fact you would be adding to a sick man's problems. The man has cancer but Nancy thinks he needs to resign from the Board! That sentiment is insensitive, inhumane, and dispicable. And what makes matters worse for me you try to hide your sickening behavior as if it is motivated by what's best for the property! In NY we have a term for that, BS!

Now to cover your behind, it was all a misunderstanding. You really didn't want to force him off the Board you were just seeking information. Well, I read and comprehend English rather well and am left with two possibilites 1) you have a problem communicating with the English language or 2) you are liar. My vote goes for the latter.

Yes lets sir up trouble and force someone else to get a sick man off the Board that will make NANCY feel good for a day or so and she can win another one.

Here's a piece of advice. Next time you wake up and are facng another miserable day, (with your personality I am sure that happens often) rather than searching for another crusade for which to fight mind your own business.

And just to set things straight Nancy. I have served on my Board for 27 years. I now hold the position of Board President. We have both men and women who have served and who now serve I have no problem with either as you suggested. What I do have trouble with are ignorant, arrogant, meddling morons. Like yourself.

Time to find your next problem Nancy. My guess would be your life is full of them ...

PaulT6 (California)
Posts: 409
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By BradP on 11/15/2012 7:21 AM
Posted By NancyG3 on 11/15/2012 6:10 AM
Would like some input regarding our Assn Board. We have a Board member, the VP, that is very sick fighting cancer. This has been going on for months. He has attended very few monthly Board meetings, and was not at our annual meeting and the homeowners were told he was ill fighting cancer. In one of the monthly meeting minutes it stated he wasn't in attendance but was on the phone. I would like opinions on if he should remain on the Board or how could we ask him to resign. There is nothing in our Covenants to cover this situation and I can't find anything in the Planned Community Act. There are suppose to be 5 Board members. There were 2 people that ran for the Board this past year but weren't elected. Our Covenants do not have anything in them about if a member of the Board doesn't attend meetings. I know this seems heartless, but.


Nancy

here is my 2 cents...yes it is a little cold to be thinking of this but on the other hand life does move on and business has to be conducted. My first thought as someone else put it, is this position essential to the operation of the HOA, if not then let the sporadic attendance go until the time of your next elections.

If it is critical i would talk this approach. Have someone on the board visit him and talk to him. As someone pointed out maybe he feels obligated to the HOA and doesn't want to leave you in a bind by resigning. Maybe this is important to him and gives him something to look forward to when he can make it. Perhaps suggest that resigning from the board may give him the time needed to fight his illness, but make it clear his opinions and attendance are still wanted at meetings. Perhaps find a committee he can be a part of.

But I would not say we want you to resign because of your cancer, let the decision be his after having some options thrown out there.

Nancy & Jon,

Don't hold back, tell us how you really feel. Seriously, after reading back on all of this I think Brad had the best post. I tried to say what he did but he did it better.

Nancy,

If you have any influence on your Board, when things get worse for your Member I would hope you would take Brad's post into consideration, especially his last sentence.

Paul T
NancyG3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 342
Posted:
Paul - Thank you. I don't have any influence on the Board and this was suppose to be information from this forum just for me. I would not take any action regarding this. For some reason Jon feels like he can attack me with false alligations. With his last post I now know why. Of course, he is the President of his Assn and he naturally would defend any Board. That's OK. I've been attacked by better people than him. If it makes him happy let him rant. I agree Brad's post was very informative and I agree with his last sentence, however, I would never bring this subject up to the Board anyway.
NancyG3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 342
Posted:
Jon - Stop, enough is enough. What you have said just isn't true. You don't know me and have no idea who I am. Thanks for the kind words.
PaulT6 (California)
Posts: 409
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By NancyG3 on 11/16/2012 4:19 PM
Paul - Thank you. I don't have any influence on the Board and this was suppose to be information from this forum just for me. I would not take any action regarding this. For some reason Jon feels like he can attack me with false alligations. With his last post I now know why. Of course, he is the President of his Assn and he naturally would defend any Board. That's OK. I've been attacked by better people than him. If it makes him happy let him rant. I agree Brad's post was very informative and I agree with his last sentence, however, I would never bring this subject up to the Board anyway.

Nancy,

Well, very sad subject. I am sure we all have gone through this issue in our own personal lives. I would hope your Board treads lightly when things get worse, which, unfortunately, they probably will.

Last word, Paul T

NancyG3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 342
Posted:
Paul I agree it is a very sad subject. I can't speak for the Board but I would like to think they will do the right thing. They all have become friends and I don't think they will do anything to hurt his feelings. As a matter of fact I don't think they will do anything. I found out he will be up for reelection in Aug 2013. When I posted this I did get some good suggestions and I thank everyone. You won't be hearing from me for a long time. However, I will keep reading the forums as I have learned a lot from the people. Thanks again everyone. This is my last words.
PeterD3 (Florida)
Posts: 708
Posted:
Looks like some people take this forum way too seriously.

Oh sure I enjoy watching (reading) but at the same time lose respect for the posters involved.

PaulT6 (California)
Posts: 409
Posted:
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Posted By PeterD3 on 11/17/2012 5:16 AM
Looks like some people take this forum way too seriously.

Oh sure I enjoy watching (reading) but at the same time lose respect for the posters involved.


Peter,

Oh dear!! My apologies if my posts offended you. I think most people, when asked for input, offer their thoughts and experiences for the benefit of others even if they may have differing positions on an issue. Participating in any forum, like living in an HOA, is voluntary.

Paul T
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
to repeat:

SCUMMA-DE-BAG
PaulT6 (California)
Posts: 409
Posted:
Well, like in most discussions, probably nobody is going to change their mind about anything, anyway. However, too bad it fell into the name calling category, which never benefits anybody.

Paul T
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
it is what it is

a rose by any other name.....
KarenP15 (Florida)
Posts: 2
Posted:
I think he or she should take care of their health first. Resigning would be the right thing to do. The board member is being selfish and not thinking of the other residents if he is too sick to do his job then he should resign. Not being cruel but it is what it is. We have a similar situation with a sick board member. We asked him to step down as he was President and he refused. We voted him out as president because he was making decisions without a majority vote of board. If he decideded to change locks or fire and hire a new vender he just did it. Sorry he is sick biut we have a business community to run with a budget of over $1 million and we cant afford reckless actions of one person wheter sick or not.
KarenP15 (Florida)
Posts: 2
Posted:
I think he or she should take care of their health first. Resigning would be the right thing to do. The board member is being selfish and not thinking of the other residents if he is too sick to do his job then he should resign. Not being cruel but it is what it is. We have a similar situation with a sick board member. We asked him to step down as he was President and he refused. We voted him out as president because he was making decisions without a majority vote of board. If he decideded to change locks or fire and hire a new vender he just did it. Sorry he is sick biut we have a business community to run with a budget of over $1 million and we cant afford reckless actions of one person wheter sick or not.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
This is an old post from 2012.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
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Posted By SteveM9 on 11/15/2012 6:27 AM
So create a provision that states board members must attend meetings or its considered an automatic resignation. Something like that. You will likely only have 1 vote against it and it will pass. The guy is sick, I get it, but the HOA must conduct business.

Check your state laws before attempting to do that. That would be highly illegal in Florida. In Florida, a majority of the homeowners would have to vote to recall the individual and that's the only way he could be removed from the board.

I realize not everyone lives in Florida, but double check your state statutes to see what's allowed.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
My apologies, I just noticed this thread is over 6 years old. Never mind.

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