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LauraR5 (Tennessee)
Posts: 220
Posted:
This past weekend in our community, the child who lives in one of our units (with his parents, although it is unclear whether they rent or own the home they are in at this point) was playing with matches and set a brush fire on the edge of our community and the adjoining community. Homeowners living near the fire put the fire out, and the fire department did arrive. The mother of the boy came to retrieve him and said that she and her husband would be disciplining him.

Now we have several homeowners, especially those who live near the site of the fire, asking the HOA what we are going to do to ensure this child does not set any more fires. We are not sure what rights our association has in this situation. The fire was contained to a small area of community property and was put out. As far as we know, the police did not respond, but the fire department was filing a report.

Is there really anything we can do except continue with our neighborhood watch issues and continue to have discussions with the parents and possibly the police if his behavior continues? I'm inclined to think that's all that is within our rights, but maybe you all have knowledge on this that I don't know about. I have only been on the board a few weeks, but I have found this discussion forum to be very helpful and informative.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Laura,

The Association can not control what the child will or will not do.

The only thing the Association could do is seek damages from the owner to restore the section of common area affected by the fire to the pre-fire condition. This may include removing and planting sod or just planting some grass seed. If you're not sure who the owner is, you need to find that out first, as the owner would be responsible for the actions of their family members, guests and/or tenants.

LauraR5 (Tennessee)
Posts: 220
Posted:
Thanks, Tim. That is kind of my thought on it. We can attempt to recoup expenses from the damage, but there's not really anything we can do as an association to ensure that someone living in our community doesn't set fires. We just have to be diligent with the neighborhood watch. If it is a renter, we can go back on the homeowner, who may or may not have the authority to break the lease, depending on their agreement. I know I wouldn't want a renter who played with matches living in my home.
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Laura

The police should have been called when this happened...sometimes a good scare from the men in blue is good for the child.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
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Posted By LauraR5 on 11/12/2012 11:20 AM
Thanks, Tim. That is kind of my thought on it. We can attempt to recoup expenses from the damage, but there's not really anything we can do as an association to ensure that someone living in our community doesn't set fires. We just have to be diligent with the neighborhood watch. If it is a renter, we can go back on the homeowner, who may or may not have the authority to break the lease, depending on their agreement. I know I wouldn't want a renter who played with matches living in my home.

But should say your son who is not a renter be treated any different then a renters son. I would be nervous with any fire setter, renter's son or owner's son.

I smell renter bias/distrust here.

LauraR5 (Tennessee)
Posts: 220
Posted:
I think there are some in the community who don't like renters at all. I was a renter for two years and decided to buy here because I loved it. And I would much rather have a renter next door than a foreclosure, and I remind the other homeowners of that frequently. In fact, when folks were blaming it on a renter, I was quick to point out that it didn't matter if it was an owner or a renter.

But if I were renting my own personal home, I would prefer it were not to.someone who liked to play with fire.
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
renters get a bad rap i believe...i was once a renter and a very good one. There are good and bad of both renters and owners.

Kids who play with matches don't get enough of a bad rap...they end up burning things down. Watch him like a hawk and call the cops next time
NancyG3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 342
Posted:
Laura - Since this just happened over the weekend I suggest you check with the fire department as to what action they will take if any. If none, still report it to the police. They may not take a report, but they will put it on record and you will be covered when the homeowners ask what actions the Board are taking.
EdmundS1 (North Carolina)
Posts: 45
Posted:
The HOA, as suggested, should follow up with fire/police departments so that your knowledge of the situation is documented.

Other then that, it's a Community Watch/ Fire-Poice Department issue.
LauraR5 (Tennessee)
Posts: 220
Posted:
I agree that we should follow up with the police. I will see if anyone has done that.

I think renters get a bad rap too. We have some pretty crappy homeowners too.
JM10 (California)
Posts: 503
Posted:
You could put a positive spin on things. I'm thinking of this because we all tend to be lax on emergency preparations. When we were living in a condo community we tried to get people interested in earthquake preparedness.

The fire might be a good opportunity for you to request a special meeting with the fire department and/or police department on emergency preparedness for fires or natural disasters. A lot of times, such presentations are free. We had one at my workplace and included people who would give special discounts on emergency supply kits. In the case of a condo community, you might be able to get suggestions on how to prepare as a community, including emergency training. I had the CPR training and for my workplace we had designated people with designated duties.

The police department might also give you tips on security and safety issues.

That's just a suggestion.

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