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JayM2 (Missouri)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Hello everyone & thanks to all who participate in the forums!

Long story short: We have 3 trustees in our HOA. A recent issue concerning use of assessment funds was voted down 2 to 1 (because it was not allowed as per our indentures). The dissenting trustee then demanded the association's checkbook & all other assets, & became combative & hostile. Now this trustee is acting unilaterally without the consent or support of the remaining 2 trustees (even attempting to appoint a new trustee!), & is even addressing the homeowners directly as though she alone IS the board.

Her actions are creating much confusion & division in our community. But the question is, what do you with a rogue trustee who will not listen to the board? Help!!!

TIA!
JM2 (Oregon)
Posts: 439
Posted:
Hi Jay:

Any action taken alone by this trustee is not an action of the Board, and therefore cannot be done. If she does anything without the Board voting on it (beyond what is simply authorized by budget) that could be grounds for a lawsuit.

Your bylaws should specify two things:
1) How the balance of the Board can vote her "out of office" as an officer of the corporation (she would still be a trusee/board member; and
2) How the membership can recall her.

By the way, why would the rest of the trustees give her the association's checkbook and other assets? As Dr. Phil would say to them: "What WERE you thinking?" They should demand them back.
JayM2 (Missouri)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Thanks for the quick reply, JM2!

I agree with your assessment that she doesn't represent the board, but this trustee continues to act on her own. She recently unilaterally declared a date for elections & already distributed notice to homeowners. I know homeowners are confused about just who to believe (yes, it should be obvious, but apparently it's not).

Is a lawsuit really the only recourse? Nobody, not even the courts, want to deal with this nonsense. And I'd hate to heap this burden upon anyone else. Is there no government oversight here?

Unfortunately, our indentures provide no mechanism to remove trustees, nor rules of conduct, etc.

This is a very bad situation. Thanks for your help!!!
JoeW1 (New York)
Posts: 728
Posted:
JayM2 - communication is key - 2 out vote 1- therefore the 2 can vote to send a letter to all owners stating that the board as a majority has conveined and feels it is within their fiduciary responsibility to advise the community they are to disregard the notice distributed to owners from the trustee, the content of which is not in accordance with the process of declaring elections, etc. site the by-laws on the process for declaring the elections and the next anticipated date as some sort of proof. advise the community that the board does not condone unilateral action that speaks for the board as a governing body. this is not only poor business, but may be considered illegal. removal of a trustee is typically done by those that elected the trustee or by the trustee not being elected as an incumbent in an election. removal of the trustee's directorship (Pres., VP., Sec., Treasurer,) can usually be done anytime at the pleasure (or displeasure in this case) by the remaining board members. does the board have an attorney?
JayM2 (Missouri)
Posts: 4
Posted:
JoeW1, very insightful & well expressed. Would you like to run for trustee? ;)

We are a small HOA of only 41 homes. Because of our small size & general lack of funds, we do not have an attorney. (I'm not sure what type of attorney we would need, real estate perhaps?)

We are also concerned about the fallout likely to be caused by the cost of introducing an attorney. We two trustees feel it is quickly becoming necessary to take this measure, however, it seems unfair to use community funds for legal costs incurred because 1 trustee is being combative & not upholding their duties.

That's why we hoped some gov't agency could intervene. We really just need someone who she will listen to, to tell her to be reasonable.

I appreciate your advice!
LanceT (Alabama)
Posts: 121
Posted:
I am not sure about your rogue trustee issue. Why can't the trustee have a copy of the bank account/checkbook and other records? It's their right to have access to this information just like it is with any member.
The HOA is a corporation and the members shareholders. That means that the corporation must provide information to the shareholder/members either good or bad. (Collection report are slightly different issue). My question is why is this information being handled so secretly in the first place?
The first thing you must understand as a board member is the money the HOA has is NOT yours but EVERYONE's. A board member is ELECTED to manage the money on a daily basis and/or make major decisions on the behalf of the general members.
My point is that maybe it's not an issue of "control" but an issue of changing the way things are run. I suspect there are other issues here in the way your HOA is managed. The fact that things seem to be "uncontrolled" lately and the assessment denied.
I'd suggest reading other posts here and see if your HOA is experiencing similar issues. You may find solutions. Especially when it comes to hiring legal council. Suing your HOA is suing yourself and your neighbors. So I'd hesitate dragging in legal representation just because a member may be challenging the "Norm".

Recovering Ex-President of a HOA
JoeW1 (New York)
Posts: 728
Posted:
LanceT - the trustee is clearly acting in a unilateral rogue manner. A Board member is to work with, and not against the Board as a governing body. Together they are to make decisions based upon the majority vote of the governing body. If the Board member disagrees with the course of action, he/she is to state his/her opinion, dissent, and move on to the next topic. NOT send out communication that undermines the Board. There may be more to the story, there usually is. However it is an issue of "control" for the rogue Board member. There are more respectful and effective ways to change the way things are run.
JayM2 (Missouri)
Posts: 4
Posted:
LanceT, for the sake of brevity, I have not included all of the details. I'm sorry to say your assumptions could not be more incorrect.

Trustees have always had equal access to information (it's now even posted to our web site). But this trustee was NOT asking for COPIES of information, but the checkbook & records themselves. To use your example, shareholders would never be given the checkbook to a corporation. Besides, the other trustee & myself have been the acting treasurer & secretary, we need these assets to perform our duties.

Moreover, she demanded the association's checkbook ONLY after being notified the indentures do not allow funds to be spent on improving PRIVATE property, the private property of her two immediate neighbors. We were concerned association funds would be misappropriated & did not relinquish the checkbook.

Here's some of her recent actions: She DEMANDED to use subdivision funds in a manner which directly violates the indentures; after this notice, she unilaterally "appoints" a new trustee (which the indentures disallow & there was NO vacancy to fill); she refused to tell us when trustee terms started which is required to be recorded [we learned trustee's terms have expired...4 years ago!]; she provided emails to the neighbors who would (potentially) be receiving association funds despite being explicitly told the information was not to be shared, but to be discussed prior to rendering a decision; she re-keys the association's PO box which prevents us access to association mail (despite the fact she has not checked the mail in over a year); she sends notice to the homeowners which are full of false accusations & misleading information; and, has now set a date & sent notice for elections which she intends to preside over.

Hope that helps to clear things up.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Jay at this point I would allow her to have her election and come armed with enough proxies (provided you're not in Arizona) to vote her butt out. Lay out what's happening to the rest of the HOA, especially the part where she wanted to fix up her neighbor's property with everyone's money and you should have no problem getting support.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
JoeW1 (New York)
Posts: 728
Posted:
Posted By GlenL on 02/21/2007 8:50 AM

Jay at this point I would allow her to have her election and come armed with enough proxies (provided you're not in Arizona) to vote her butt out. Lay out what's happening to the rest of the HOA, especially the part where she wanted to fix up her neighbor's property with everyone's money and you should have no problem getting support.


GlenL - i couldn't disagree more. Jay and the other board member should absolutely not permit the election to occur, it's not properly convened. this is an attempt at a hostile takeover.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
JoeW, I agree it's an attempt at a hostile takeover but since Jay says that their indentures do not provide with how to remove a trustee having the election and voting the rogue member out may be the quickest, easiest and cheapest way to go about it. While he doesn't specify, it's not that hard to call a special meeting, which may be what this member is doing. I'm merely suggesting that he turn it around on her.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
LanceT (Alabama)
Posts: 121
Posted:
Now that I have a better understanding of your definition of a "rogue" trustee, I can address your issue better. Before it seemed like the person may have had a "wake up call" and was trying to run things differently from the "norm". However, it seems much more like what happened with my new board after I left.
The board that took over after I left, were a bit on the "selfish" side. It was amazing how many "personal items" suddenly got paid for that I had denied while in office. For some reason, they were under the impression that the $5K in the bank at the beginning of the month meant that the was "extra" money and could be spent. They were quick to blame me for "lying" to them about us being broke. There was PLENTY of money for them to hand out to get their private retaining walls, flowerbeds, or redecorate the clubhouse. So guess what they did? You guessed it. They spent that $5K within the first month or so. Can you see the problem now? You are correct to assume that the $5K at the beginning of the month was for the $5K of MONTHLY BILLS!!! So at the beginning of the NEXT month there was nothing in the bank account to cover the bills. Monthly dues don't clear the bank until after the 5th.
I am giving you this example because I have been through a similar situation where board members/president did take control over the "checkbook" and did themselves/neighbors "favors". The result was that they shot themselves in their own foot. I gave them enough rope to hang themselves.
This is my same advice to you. Give some rope to this rogue member. Simply if their ideas don't make sense to the other sane members of the HOA, it isn't going to fly. I say let the other members listen to this person's ideas and force them to explain how they are going to fund the project. Make sure the other members understand the money being used is THEIR money and comes from THEIR dues. If the members are okay with using their money and their neighbors money to fund a project, then let it go. Bite your upper lip, and let stupidity reign.
It isn't easy to enforce reason on someone so unreasonable. So don't even try. Let the other members do it for you. I found that to be the resolution to my HOA's situation. After about 6 months and an illegal special assessment by the board, members perked up and paid attention. Things didn't go through as easily. Questions were asked. Once your "rogue" member is forced to answer a few questions, they may change their tune.

Recovering Ex-President of a HOA
JoeW1 (New York)
Posts: 728
Posted:
GlenL - so everytime a request arises that does not appear in the indentures the board should apply the lowest threshold and cave to the capricious wishes of one or a few? i say apply a high standard. IMO "turning it around on her" runs the risk of backfiring and at the very least it gives the rogue trustee a forum to air irresponsible grievances.

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