💬 Join us to post & get advice from 50,000 HOA & Condo leaders.

Create Free Account →

⚡ Takes 30 seconds

Already a member? Log in

TatyanaP (California)
Posts: 1
Posted:
My elderly neighbor is in a vicious dispute with the HOA Board even though he is a member of the Board himself.
1. He was elected to the Board (of 3 members) in a hotly contested election where he represents a minority of the Homeowners.
2. The other 2 board members took courses about what it means to be a Board Members and he wasn't invited.
3. The other 2 board members assigned him a position of Secretary rather than a Treasurer/Secretary even though our building has always had a President, Vice President, and Treasurer/Secretary, and never solely Secretary position in its history.
4. They have never called an official Board meeting where he was invited, but started sending out letters to the association and calling meetings as a Board without ever officially meeting.
5. They sent him a letter requesting that he change an appearance of his window because it didn't follow CC&Rs. While it's true that his window is in violation of CC&Rs, it's also true that almost every balcony and every window in the rest of the building including the properties of the other Board members violates CC&R as well, and they chose to only send notice to him. Again, the letter was signed by the Board of Directors and he was not called to a meeting.

Besides this seeming like flagrant discrimination, I am concerned that as a Homeowner in this building myself, my property value is decreasing due to the derelict appearance of these balconies and the rest of the building. The Board does not seem to be interested in taking any action to enforce the CC&Rs (even for themselves). I have read that they have some discretion for what they choose to enforce or not, but in the case of blatant discrimination and dropping property values, can anything be done to force them to comply? Other than hiring a lawyer, is there an organization that can be contacted about this?
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Suing your HOA is suing yourself and your neighbors. So jumping to hiring a lawyer when the issues can be resolved within the HOA itself is just wasting time and money for all. Not saying that there is not a time and place for a lawyer, but truly what is it that the HOA rules themselves can't resolve if you don't try to apply or change them?

A HOA's do NOT maintain home values. That again is a misconception. HOA's are sales tools that are used to attract buyers. The more attractive the property and more control a potential buyer thinks they have the more likely they will be willing to purchase the property. Home values are based on what similar property sales for within a few miles of each other. It's locaton, condition, and size that are home value holders.

Your friend sounds like a third wheel on a motorcycle. It's only needed when a passenger wants to ride on. I applaud his efforts in pursuing his desire to be on the board. However, it is his problem and will be the one that needs to decide what to do.

It does sound like the HOA is trying to correct things if they did send out a notice of a violation even if it was to their own board member. It's up to that owner to comply. The problem is making people comply not the notification.

Former HOA President
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Rally your neighbors and recall the two Board members or work to vote them out at the next election. This will require someone willing to step up and serve.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Tatyana,

Welcome to the forum. I have the following comments/advice based on your posting:

Quote:
Posted By TatyanaP on 11/09/2012 6:50 PM
My elderly neighbor is in a vicious dispute with the HOA Board even though he is a member of the Board himself.

Keep the two things separate. Being a member, a Director and an officer is like working for a company in three different positions. Each position has it's own rights, responsibilities and level of authorization.
You need to look at each position separately and not combine them all together.

Quote:
Posted By TatyanaP on 11/09/2012 6:50 PM

1. He was elected to the Board (of 3 members) in a hotly contested election where he represents a minority of the Homeowners.

Things are done by majority vote on a Board. Therefore, being one vote out of three that Director will need to get at least one of the others on their side of an issue in order to change/accomplish anything they would like to see done.

Quote:
Posted By TatyanaP on 11/09/2012 6:50 PM

2. The other 2 board members took courses about what it means to be a Board Members and he wasn't invited.

Unless the courses were required by your governing documents, they would be optional. I agree that if the others two knew about the courses they should have forwarded that information to all members of the board. You can not control the actions of others you can only control how you react to those actions.

Quote:
Posted By TatyanaP on 11/09/2012 6:50 PM

3. The other 2 board members assigned him a position of Secretary rather than a Treasurer/Secretary even though our building has always had a President, Vice President, and Treasurer/Secretary, and never solely Secretary position in its history.

Officers are appointed by a majority vote of the Board. If there is no limitation of what offices may be combined, then those individuals did nothing illegal. See Davis-Stirling Multiple Offices web page.

Quote:
Posted By TatyanaP on 11/09/2012 6:50 PM

4. They have never called an official Board meeting where he was invited, but started sending out letters to the association and calling meetings as a Board without ever officially meeting.

Board Meetings are to be published to the entire membership at least 4 days in advance but for regularly scheduled meetings (every third Tuesday for example)the is no requirement that Directors be informed.

I would suggest addressing this issue of failure to inform the membership of the meetings.

Quote:
Posted By TatyanaP on 11/09/2012 6:50 PM

5. They sent him a letter requesting that he change an appearance of his window because it didn't follow CC&Rs. While it's true that his window is in violation of CC&Rs, it's also true that almost every balcony and every window in the rest of the building including the properties of the other Board members violates CC&R as well

If the window is in violation, then the window is in violation.

Look at it this way, do you think a court would dismiss a speeding ticket on the excuse that others were speeding at the same time but didn't get a ticket? Just because others are in violation doesn't excuse the fact that this individual is in violation.

You as a member also have the right to enforce the covenants. Members enforce the covenants by taking their neighbor to court. If your concerned about the other violations, I would suggest you investigate this option further.

Quote:
Posted By TatyanaP on 11/09/2012 6:50 PM

I have read that they have some discretion for what they choose to enforce or not, but in the case of blatant discrimination and dropping property values, can anything be done to force them to comply?

What you have read is correct. The Association and the membership are given authority by the governing documents to enforce the covenants. However, those same documents do not require the Association or a member to enforce. It's optional.

Quote:
Posted By TatyanaP on 11/09/2012 6:50 PM

Other than hiring a lawyer, is there an organization that can be contacted about this?

Typically no.

Although Regulation of HOAs fall under the jurisdiction of the Attorney General, this jurisdiction is limited. This is because Associations fall under civil laws (vs. criminal laws).

In general, the CC&Rs (deed restrictions) are considered a civil contract between all owners of the properties that have the same deed restrictions attached. Associations are formed to maintain and/or operate the common area and fulfill any services (trash/recycling, snow removal, street lighting, etc.) required by the CC&Rs. Per the CC&Rs, the Association is also given the authority (in addition to the owners) to enforce the covenants, restrictions and conditions of the deed restrictions (contract). Typically, Associations are incorporated (usually as a nonprofit) as this provides them certain advantages. As a corporation they must comply with corporate laws in addition to any HOA/COA laws.

As you know there are civil laws and criminal laws. Criminal laws are enforced by the State. Civil laws are usually enforced by the individuals involved and they do this through the court system. Since contracts, hoa/coa laws and corporate laws are considered civil laws, there is typically limited governmental authorities to "oversee" or enforce those laws.

Sure the State corporation commission may fine for not filing the annual report on time. The IRS will certainly go after the Association for failing to file taxes. The District Attorney will prosecute if criminal laws are broken (example embezzlement). However if the Association doesn't comply with the Bylaws or a civil law, it's up to the membership to hold the Board accountable. The easiest way would be to recall the board or not reelect them to the Board. The more expensive option is to go through the court system.

This is why it's imperative that the members remain active in the development and actually take an interest in how the Association is governed. If apathy sets in (and, unfortunately it does), it becomes that much more difficult to change things when issues are discovered.

As Glen said, you need to rally your neighbors and recall the two board members or at least not reelect them at the next election. This will require time, energy and some money (printing and postage) but it can be done. You may want to start by reading and understanding your governing documents and applicable laws. You should also attend every board meeting that you can attend. Encourage your neighbors to do the same and encourage them to encourage others.

Changes likely won't happen overnight. However, they can happen over time.

Hope this helps,

Tim
HappyJ (Tennessee)
Posts: 21
Posted:
Tim
Can I have your personal email address? I have a question that needed to be asked without putting it on the forum?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Happy,

You may: [email protected]

Please note, I am not an attorney and I do not work in the legal field. I can only offer opinions and advice based on the information provided, personal experiences and my interpretation of any research done.

As the e-mail indicates, I only check that address when I am at work. There may be some delay in responses.

Tim
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:


I agree with what Tim wrote:

"As Glen said, you need to rally your neighbors and recall the two board members or at least not reelect them at the next election. This will require time, energy and some money (printing and postage) but it can be done. You may want to start by reading and understanding your governing documents and applicable laws. You should also attend every board meeting that you can attend. Encourage your neighbors to do the same and encourage them to encourage others. "

Your Board doesn't seem to be in compliance with the Davis-Stirling Open Meeting Act. Go to Davis-stirling.com, Main Index and scroll to "meetings."

Read your governing documents, probably the bylaws state what officers there should be. Who is the treasurer now? How often is the Board required to meet? 4 X a year? More often?

It's possible, too, that you bylaws state that any director can be kicked off the Board if they don't cure violations of your rules, CC&Rs, etc. Is that what's going on? Are the other two members trying to get rid of him?

What do you mean by the older man represents a "minority" of h'owners? "Minority" in terms of opinion or philosophy about the direction of your community?

What size is your community? Sounds like the units are attached. High rise? Mid rise? Low rise? How much money do you have in your reserve accounts? You, as an owner have the right to inspect all financial documents of your HOA (except personal ones, e.g., who's behind in their dues, who's been fined, etc)

You must rally your neighbors to attend meetings and demand improvements. Your & they should not just stand by and watch your community deteriorated! (If there are a whole lot of owners delinquent in their dues, it's a more difficult road) If the Board refuses to meet, a bunch of you should sign a letter demanding open meetings as per your governing docs. If the Board refuses, get a a few owners together and hire an hour of an HOA attorney's time.
JM10 (California)
Posts: 503
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By TatyanaP on 11/09/2012 6:50 PM
My elderly neighbor is in a vicious dispute with the HOA Board even though he is a member of the Board himself.
1. He was elected to the Board (of 3 members) in a hotly contested election where he represents a minority of the Homeowners.
2. The other 2 board members took courses about what it means to be a Board Members and he wasn't invited.
3. The other 2 board members assigned him a position of Secretary rather than a Treasurer/Secretary even though our building has always had a President, Vice President, and Treasurer/Secretary, and never solely Secretary position in its history.
4. They have never called an official Board meeting where he was invited, but started sending out letters to the association and calling meetings as a Board without ever officially meeting.
5. They sent him a letter requesting that he change an appearance of his window because it didn't follow CC&Rs. While it's true that his window is in violation of CC&Rs, it's also true that almost every balcony and every window in the rest of the building including the properties of the other Board members violates CC&R as well, and they chose to only send notice to him. Again, the letter was signed by the Board of Directors and he was not called to a meeting.

Besides this seeming like flagrant discrimination, I am concerned that as a Homeowner in this building myself, my property value is decreasing due to the derelict appearance of these balconies and the rest of the building. The Board does not seem to be interested in taking any action to enforce the CC&Rs (even for themselves). I have read that they have some discretion for what they choose to enforce or not, but in the case of blatant discrimination and dropping property values, can anything be done to force them to comply? Other than hiring a lawyer, is there an organization that can be contacted about this?

If almost every balcony and window are in violation of the CC&R and only he was given a letter, this could result in a lawsuit that the HOA wouldn't win. It is called arbitrary enforcement.

The board has to have official meetings because they cannot take actions without a meeting. All members, including directors must be informed of board meetings and the time limit is either set by the state or the CC&R.

My husband was the treasurer, elected to that position. He was disposed of by the board which is fine except this was part of their attempt to exclude us from everything. We ended up going to court three times, winning in all cases and moving.

We did not care that this was costing the HOA money because we were forced to move and no one stood up to help us. They were perfectly fine with the board discriminating against us and we know they board was giving others special favors (parking and other considerations).

Document the actions and recall the board. By discriminating against any member, the board is taking on legal liability.

It's not pretty to be at the receiving end as we were and you can't expect any member to give up their rights just to save the HOA money.
DuaneR (Washington)
Posts: 35
Posted:
The contract with our management company states a "Hard Copy" of the monthly Board Packet will be given to each Board Member prior to the monthly meeting,now in an attempt to weed out members the Board President,Secreatary, and the Management Company are requiring I-PADS to conduct business and send informational packets between members and comunications in general. The other Board Members still want to continue with the hard copies(use the KISS method) but the president and MC insist on this method knowing many of us are just basic Computer users and have given us a time frame to comply or new elections will be held to bring their people on board to run-over the HOA with-out any resistence.I don't see school boards or other HOA's having this requirement! Any sugguestion? I have a scanner to work on my car but the President doesn't-that's my personal perference!
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By DuaneR on 11/12/2012 11:04 AM
the Board President,Secreatary, and the Management Company are requiring I-PADS to conduct business and send informational packets between members and comunications in general.

So the Association is purchasing the I-pads for everyone?

You have read the contract, it requires hard copies.

The MC works for the Board.
The Board decides how the Association will comply with applicable laws.
The President (if also a Director) has one vote for a Board vote.
Majority vote wins.

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By TimB4 on 11/12/2012 11:13 AM
Posted By DuaneR on 11/12/2012 11:04 AM
the Board President,Secreatary, and the Management Company are requiring I-PADS to conduct business and send informational packets between members and comunications in general.


So the Association is purchasing the I-pads for everyone?

You have read the contract, it requires hard copies.

The MC works for the Board.
The Board decides how the Association will comply with applicable laws.
The President (if also a Director) has one vote for a Board vote.
Majority vote wins.


I agree.
JM10 (California)
Posts: 503
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By TimB4 on 11/12/2012 11:13 AM
Posted By DuaneR on 11/12/2012 11:04 AM
the Board President,Secreatary, and the Management Company are requiring I-PADS to conduct business and send informational packets between members and comunications in general.


So the Association is purchasing the I-pads for everyone?

You have read the contract, it requires hard copies.

The MC works for the Board.
The Board decides how the Association will comply with applicable laws.
The President (if also a Director) has one vote for a Board vote.
Majority vote wins.


Does the management company have stock in Apple? Wow...someone requiring everyone to have iPads what would Microsoft have to say about that.
RussellN (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1
Posted:
Question reguarding rule enforcement overall. My council is currently holding some units to violation and others not though also in violation. What is responsibility for council to enforce uniformily? Can someone help with penn law in this reguard?
JM10 (California)
Posts: 503
Posted:
In general, the law frowns on arbitrary enforcement of the law. If someone learns that others have the same violation or a violation within the same paragraph of your CC&R and that the board is allowing the violation, then they can cross complain that they are being harassed/discriminated against. In court, the board will find it hard to defend itself.

If the person is part of a protected minority group, they can report this to the Fair Housing and ask for an investigation. If Fair Housing finds that the board has a pattern of discrimination, the board can be fined.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Russell,

There is no actual law that I'm aware of which requires uniformity of enforcement.

Technically, the governing documents authorize both members and the Association to enforce the covenants. However, those documents do not require enforcement.

When an Association enforces the covenants, they must do so uniformly. Otherwise they run the risk of being accused of selective enforcement. Accusing an Association of selective enforcement only becomes relevant if the enforcement action goes to court.

If the violator can prove selective enforcement, one of the following will likely be the result:

1) Judge determines your issue is a violation but is non-enforceable (what the violator hopes for)

2) Judge determines your issue is a violation and orders the Association to enforce this covenant equally on everyone.

3) Judge determines your issue is a violation and can only be enforced if the Association enforces it on everyone equally.

4) Judge determines your issue is a violation, agrees that it could be considered selective enforcement but, like speeding tickets, just because others are in violation doesn't excuse the fact that you are in violation and you must bring the issue into compliance (what the Association would hope for).

As JM pointed out, if the selective enforcement is against an individual who can claim a protective status based on race, religion, sexual orientation or family status, the Board may find themselves trying to defend against apparent discrimination (whether it actually exists or not) rather than violation enforcement. In fact, the actual violation may become overshadowed by the discrimination allegation.

My personal opinion is if the individual is in violation then the individual needs to own up to it and bring the issue into compliance. I have little respect for individuals who claim discrimination (rather then simple selective enforcement) to try and deflect the fact that they are in violation. I have less respect for the Board or Committee that chooses to enforce violations non-uniformly. However, as JM pointed out, for those who belong to a protected status, filing a complaint based on discrimination is a way to get the Boards attention.

Here are some articles I located about selective enforcement:

Hard to evict cats when boards don't enforce pet rules

Payne v. Cudjoe Gardens Property Owners Association, Inc. 2002 FL court opinion

Prisco v. Forest Villas Condominium Apartments 2003 FL Court Opinion

Hope this helps,

Tim
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
The issue with selective enforcement often is, is it truly selective.

An "off" color fence is not the same thing as a "pink" fence although the owner of the pink fence who has been cited will often claim "selective enforcement" using the "off" color fence as their reasoning for their claim of "selective enforcement".

I assure you, there is a major difference between an off color fence and a pink fence.

🎯 You've read this entire discussion

Join the conversation with 50,000 HOA & Condo Leaders:

  • ✓ Ask follow-up questions
  • ✓ Share your experience
  • ✓ Get expert advice
  • ✓ Access 350,000 discussions
Create Free Account →

⚡ Takes 30 seconds

Already a member? Log in here