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FosterG (Florida)
Posts: 2
Posted:
Our HOA is made up of 44 SF homes (extremely small) with no common areas other than a sign and entrance property. There are 5 board members one that thinks we should have insurance against being sued by any of the homeowners. Our dues are so small they come due yearly and since there isn't many expenses, the membership account has grown substantially in the past few years.
Let's face it, we live in a sue happy world and anyone can sue anyone else for any reason. The one board member does not want to be the position without insurance in case the board makes a decision that could spark a lawsuit such as restriction violations. Does anyone feel insurance for board members is necessary? Thanks for any replies.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Given the small size of your association and the lack of facilities, insurance is optional. You still might want to look into it so that you can decide the cost to benefits knowing what both the costs and the benefits will be.

My opinion is that large insurance policies are a magnet for hungry lawyers. If there is little or no money to be had from insurance, there is no incentive for a lawyer to bring a lawsuit. Lawyers want cash and they want it now.

NancyG3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 342
Posted:
Yes you should have D & O insurance. If each Director doesn't have this insurance and they make a big mistake then each Director can be sued personally. Do you want to be sued and lose your home and assets? No matter the cost you should have this coverage. Each Director should also be bonded. This coverage shouldn't be that expensive. Check it out with your insurance Agent.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By NancyG3 on 11/08/2012 7:55 PM
Yes you should have D & O insurance. If each Director doesn't have this insurance and they make a big mistake then each Director can be sued personally. Do you want to be sued and lose your home and assets? No matter the cost you should have this coverage. Each Director should also be bonded. This coverage shouldn't be that expensive. Check it out with your insurance Agent.

Directors can be sued personally whether they have insurance coverage or not. Insurance does not prevent lawsuits and may even encourage them. If the directors were carrying out their duties as would a reasonable person in a similar situation, they are not personally liable. The members would be liable for the cost of a judgment, just as they would responsible for paying the deductible portion if there was insurance coverage.

This issue is like any other insurance purchase. It is a question of what will the insurance cost versus the benefit. If the risks are low enough being uninsured is not unreasonable.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Leaving aside most if not all of the CC&R's I've read over the years mandate the minimum insurance required, let's go with Larry's scenario. Directors can be sued personally whether they have insurance coverage or not. Insurance does not prevent lawsuits and may even encourage them. If the directors were carrying out their duties as would a reasonable person in a similar situation, they are not personally liable.

Now you're Joe Director and you have just been sued because Mark Homeowner doesn't like a decision the Board made. You can either pay hundreds if not thousands to defend your position (which will ultimately be proven you acted correctly) or you can use the D&O insurance to pay for your defense. I personally would NEVER serve on a Board without it.

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LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Glen,

That is the risk that the directors must deal with. In the scenario you gave us, though, the director's homeowners' insurance would cover him.

I think a wise board member (don't laugh) would put this issue up to the members and let them decide whether to carry insurance or not. I seem to recall a thread from a few months ago where state law required the association to put the question of buying earthquake insurance before the members.

Before everyone scoffs at the idea of not carrying insurance, answer the following questions:

Do you insure your pets?
Do you carry flood insurance on your home?
Do you have earthquake insurance?
The last time you rented a car or truck, did you buy the damage waiver?
Do you have an identity theft insurance policy?
Did you buy the hospital insurance that was offered in last Sunday's paper?
Do you have a long-term disability policy?
Do you have a short-term disability policy?
Did you ever buy insurance from Alex Trebek?
Did you car buy insurance from a lizard? Or Flo? Or the good hands folks?

There are valid arguments for having all of the above insurances yet almost no one has all of them and there are a lot of us who have none of them. The reason is we each evaluated the cost versus the benefit and determined that it just was not worth it.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Read your Documents. They may require the HOA to have a policy. We had a requirement of a 1 Million dollar policy minimum to be carried. Plus our contractors had to have the same requirement. A million dollar policy is the bare minimum of HOA insurance. It doesn't mean a million dollar payout either. Matter of fact ours only paid out 80K if you read the fine print. However, that meant that if a judgement was for 100K, the HOA would have to pay the 20K difference. A consideration for all the owners to consider.

I wouldn't volunteer without the insurance even if you believe your homeowner's insurance covers you. I believe you have to have an additional coverage added on your home insurance for this to be true. Which I wouldn't want to pay higher premiums out of my personal pocket to be on a voluntary board. Espcecially when the cost would be included in my dues. The cost would be divided equally amongst all members to pay.

If your concerned about cost your HOA can make payment arrangements with the insurance. We had to arrange paying the premium for 10 months out of the year. That way we could lower the monthly payment to about 2K a month. We had 107 owners so only a few dollars out of our entire dues went toward the premium.

We had a clubhouse, pool, and common areas to cover in addition to board members actions/liability. The insurance is often offered in a "Bundle" format which means you may get coverage for a company car that doesn't exist. However, what happens with that is if a board member was in an car accident while doing HOA business, the insurance would act like "Gap" insurance for that member. It would pay the difference of what the insurance did not pay between the two parties involved. Another consideration your board members may appreciate. Plus if your like us, we owned the house and lot but the HOA the property around the lot. Which means if a tree on the common property fell on a house, the HOA would be responsible for the cleanup of the debris and possible damage to fences/property.

No matter the size of your HOA, insurance is an important consideration. It's not only protecting it's board members but all the members too.

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NancyG3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 342
Posted:
Larry posted "Directors can be sued personally whether they have insurance coverage or not." - Additional information regarding this: Your personal HO policy will only cover you if you have a special endorsement attached to your policy for this type coverage. Anyone that is a Board member and their Assn does not carry coverage for them should contact their insurance agent and discuss their HO coverage.

Also check covenants. Our Covenants and By Laws states the Assn shall purchase comprehensive general liability insurance and Fidility Bonds for anyone who either handles or is responsible for funds held or administered by the Assn.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Foster,

We carry the following insurance:

Liability
Directors and Officers
Crime (acts as the fidelity bond for the Association)
JonD1
Posts: 2,350
Posted:
As I don't reside in Florida I cannot speak to the laws there but in NY Board members cannot be sued as individuals. So the threat of losing your home in NY does not apply. So check Florida law.

Now we are required to carry a master policy on our property under the CCRs. For a minimal additional charge we also carry D&O Coverage and a Fidelity coverge for theft. Pennies on the dollar.

Why not request a quote and then see what amount of money you are talking about?

IMO to go without coverage when the cost is minimal would be foolish.

Do you carry insurance on the property as a whole???
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
I also would personally not serve on a board with Directors and Officers Coverage. Contrary to what Larry said who would you rather have cover your legal bills, yourself, your homeowners' insurance or the HOA insurance? I pick the HOA insurance everytime and twice on Sundays. As long as you are acting in good faith the HOA insurance will cover your legal bills if you get sued.
JonD1
Posts: 2,350
Posted:
I would like to hear from my agent that in the event I am sued as a Board member my homeowners policy would cover my legal costs. Maybe not.

Years ago when I was looking into umbrella liability coverage I was asked if I served in any capacity that might result in legal action against me including as a Board member. The insurance company was looking to limit their liability under this policy coverage.

BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
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Posted By JonD1 on 11/09/2012 6:41 AM
I would like to hear from my agent that in the event I am sued as a Board member my homeowners policy would cover my legal costs. Maybe not.

Years ago when I was looking into umbrella liability coverage I was asked if I served in any capacity that might result in legal action against me including as a Board member. The insurance company was looking to limit their liability under this policy coverage.


I doubt your homeowners policy would cover you, mine certainly wont cover me for actions not related to my property.

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