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SusanM19 (Michigan)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Recently, our Board send out a ballot regarding allowing sheds in our community. In the ballot they said if they don't receive a response, then it will be counted as a "no." There were 42 yes votes, 17 no votes and 67 no response votes. The Board counted those no response votes as a no and therefore the petition for sheds did not go through.

Can they count those no response votes as a no?

We are in Michigan. Please help.
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
According to accepted parliamentary procedure, no vote at all is just that - it is neither a "yes" nor a "no" vote. According to standard parliamentary procedure, the majority of the votes cast is what determines the outcome of a vote. There were a total of 59 votes cast: 42 yes votes and 17 no votes. The 67 who didn't care to respond abstained, which is not a vote at all.

But then, that's according to standard parliamentary procedure. Don't count on your board to abide by standard parliamentary procedure because they likely are not sufficiently familiar enough with standard parliamentary procedure to follow it anyway.

But, there is also an exception if your bylaws dictate something different than standard parliamentary procedure. It appears from your post that there are a total of 126 homeowners in your community. If your bylaws require that a majority of all the homeowners entitled to vote are needed to pass a measure, then the number of votes required to pass would be 64 and the number of "yes" votes was short by 22 votes and the measure fails. If your bylaws have a requirement such as this, then no vote at all (an abstention) has the same effect as a "no" vote. In this case, the bylaws deviate from standard parliamentary procedure and bylaws always take precedence.

You would have to read your bylaws to see how votes are to be counted.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
It depends a lot on what the objective of the vote was.

If your CC&R's prohibit sheds and the same document requires 2/3 of the owners (or some other percentage) to approve an amendment, then non-votes are the same as a "no."

On the other hand, if the no-shed thing is a rule adopted by the board then your state law on association voting would govern. My math says you have 126 homeowners and 59 of them cast ballots. The 47% who voted may constitute a quorum and, if they do, then the measure carried 42 to 17. The percentage of ballots cast to owners eligible to vote is what determines a quorum and in some states can be as low as 10% or may be a percentage set forth in the bylaws or the articles of incorporation.

My first guess would be that sheds are prohibited by your CC&R's. If they are, a ballot may not even be the correct vehicle for amending them. Most CC&R's have language to the effect that to amend them a certain percentage of owners must sign the amendment and that the amendment must be recorded. Holding an election, even if it the amendment gets the required votes, may not satisfy the requirements set forth in the CC&R's. My recommendation is always to circulate an amendment by going door-to-door and getting owners to sign off. Most CC&R's allow owners to amend them without the approval or participation of the board. By circulating an amendment, you will have virtually unlimited time to get the owner approval required.

BTW, I concluded a long time ago that it is easier to amend my state constitution than it is to amend my CC&R's. The constitution is amended by a simple majority of those who cast ballots on election day.

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Susan

The answer is we do not know as it depends on your own documents.

Hope this helps.
SusanM19 (Michigan)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Thank you. You clarified some things and pointed me in the right direction.

I checked the bylaws. We needed 75% of the total homeowners for passage.

Thank you so much.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
Susan,

I'd worry about the "Yes" votes since you know you need to cross the 75% approval line to pass the amendment.

The board made it more convenient to defeat the amendment by telling property owners to "Do nothing and your vote will be registered as 'No." There was a bias in the feedback form sent to your fellow HOA members as approving the amendment change was more difficult, physically.

Anyway......

BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By SusanM19 on 11/04/2012 1:51 PM
I checked the bylaws. We needed 75% of the total homeowners for passage.

There's your answer. You needed 75% of 126, or 95 "yes" votes, for passage. There were only 47 "yes" votes. In this case, as I pointed out earlier, an abstention (not voting at all) had the same effect as a "no" vote. The warning stated on the ballot was correct.

Quote:
Posted By KellyM3 on 11/04/2012 3:58 PM
The board made it more convenient to defeat the amendment by telling property owners to "Do nothing and your vote will be registered as 'No."

Kelly,

This could also be interpreted as a warning to not be apathetic and advice to those in favor of allowing sheds, as if to say: "Do nothing and your vote will the same as a "no" vote. So if you want to allow sheds, be sure to send in your vote."

KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
Bruce,

You're correct in the board issuing the reminder that non-participation is a negative action, but it is a bias. In fact, now that I think of it, most HOA by-law amendments certainly enjoy this bias against change because it's the "YES" votes that matter - and those "YES" votes must outweigh "Noes" and "No Choice."

It really has nothing to do with the board except you could challenge the wording of their public announcement towards the negative reinforcement.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
On my first BOD one with more experience explained it to me like this:

He said that when a % of YES votes is needed to make something happen that while a non-vote is not a NO, that in the final count it has the result of a NO vote.

Your BOD just made it easy for people to vote NO. I assume the BOD did not want the amendment to pass.

BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
Whether you think of it as a positive or a negative bias, I think it's all in how you look at it.

Is the glass half full? Or is it half empty?

Is it partly sunny? Or is it partly cloudy?

Quantitatively, I don't see the difference.

Personally, I prefer to think of it as positive bias, advising people not to be apathetic. People who don't care one way or another might assume that it doesn't matter if they don't vote, not realizing that by not voting they are having the same effect as casting a "no" vote, so it really does matter.

The BOD didn't make it easy for people to vote "no." That was already written into the bylaws or the CCRs. The BOD just tried to make people aware of it.

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