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JoanneB2 (Florida)
Posts: 25
Posted:
We have one homeowner who's home is in foreclosure with the bank and in foreclosure with the HOA for nonpayment of annual fees (for the past 5 years). This homeowner also parks a huge yellow commercial van at the house every evening in the driveway and sometimes on the street. Most people who are in foreclosure could give a darn about following the rules of the HOA especially if they are not paying their dues anyway. My question is: once the HOA gives notice regarding the parking of the truck within the confines of the HOA allowing say 15 days to never see it again, can the HOA tow the vehicle? Would the vehicle need to be on the street or would we have the power to tow it from the driveway?

JoAnne
RaymondL2 (Arizona)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Joanne,
The HOA has the power to remove the vehicle after a reasonable amount of time after notification. Recreational vehicles and/or trucks should not be parked in the owners driveway for more than 72 hours a month.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Joanne the HOA MIGHT have the right to tow IF it has a towing policy in place with the requisite signage and follows both the State and any local towing ordinances. Otherwise it would probably require taking the person to court and getting a judicial order to tow. This is really a question for the HOA's attorney, do not rely on advice you receive online (even mine) because it can come back to bite you and the HOA in the tookhes or worse in the wallet.

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TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Joanne,

As others have said, the Association needs to have a towing policy in place.

Additionally, the Association needs to comply with local codes for towing (which typically include signage of specific size and font). There are notices that need to be provided and I doubt you could have it towed from his driveway (as it's private property). If the streets are public, you may have issues towing it from there as well.

My advice, spend some money and consult with a local attorney on what your Association needs to put in place to be able to tow vehicles that are non-compliant.

Tim
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Joanne

my advice, do not tow unless you have a green light from your attorney and a court order to remove the vehicle. If this person is in foreclosure it will get ugly very fast. Unfortunately you may just have to deal with it until they are forced out of their home.
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Quote:
Would the vehicle need to be on the street or would we have the power to tow it from the driveway?


Towing really depends on who owns the street. I cant see any legal circumstance where you would be allowed to tow it from his driveway.

If you dont want to wait for the bank, your HOA could foreclose on him due to non-payment of dues and kick him out of the house along with his vehicles. It will also take time, but its an option.
JoanneB2 (Florida)
Posts: 25
Posted:
That settles it! I will get permission to ask the HOA's attorney about this. This particular house is in foreclosure from the bank and also from the association for nonpayment of dues but both foreclosures are going into multiple years at this point. Perhaps the association can ask the attorney to speed it up. Or we can file a lawsuit for the noncompliance. It will serve to drive up his costs in the end. This situation has been going on for quite some time. We need some answers and need to take some action. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction - again.

JoAnne
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Joanne...i would say this, you can't get blood from a turnip...if they are in foreclosure and ignore your violation notices chances are pretty high that anything you do to remedy your situation will be on your dime. Unless they have filed bankruptcy recently they always have that card to play and may play it at some point. If your documents allow you to go onto a person's property to correct a violation and bill them I would file a simple motion in court asking for court approval to do so.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Joanne

You never said what rule(s) he was violating nor the penalty/fine for such.

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I think the bigger issue here is the HOA foreclosing on property that is being bank foreclosed to. Your HOA is wasting money on this. The bank will ALWAYS get paid FIRST no matter IF the HOA does the foreclosure. The HOA is basically doing the work of the bank when they foreclose. Instead the HOA should concentrate on having a LIEN on the property instead and giving up the foreclosure fight. The HOA has a better chance of getting money from a lien than a foreclosure. A foreclosure doesn't do anything but stop the bleeding. It's NOT a money making nor will it get the money owed by pursuing. If the owner owes the bank, the bank is going to get what they are owed or most of it. The HOA and other debtors are just next in line.

Your HOA needs a fining schedule in order to enforce it's parking and other rules. Without it, there's not much a HOA can do. You may ask your lawyer on how to get that into place in your HOA. That way you all can tow violators in the future.

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LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
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Posted By JoanneB2 on 11/01/2012 10:20 AM
That settles it! I will get permission to ask the HOA's attorney about this. This particular house is in foreclosure from the bank and also from the association for nonpayment of dues but both foreclosures are going into multiple years at this point. Perhaps the association can ask the attorney to speed it up. Or we can file a lawsuit for the noncompliance. It will serve to drive up his costs in the end. This situation has been going on for quite some time. We need some answers and need to take some action. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction - again.

JoAnne

Please tell us this post is a joke!

Your attorney does not have the power to grant permission for you to do anything. All he can do is offer his advice and discuss with the consequences of rash behavior.

You can file all the additional lawsuits you want but each one is going to cost you money up front. Your attorney is not going to work for free, so you have thousands of dollars to pay up front with little assurance that you will ever collect a dime of a judgment. This is an owner who has not paid his mortgage or his assessments for years. Why would you think he is going to pay another judgment?

You indicate that this home has been a problem for some time and is involved in two separate court actions. Why is there a sudden need to act? What is the emergency today that did not exist, say, six months ago?

Instead of doing something whacko like hauling the guy's truck away from his driveway, why not have your attorney petition the court for an order? My experience is that when two parties are engaged in litigation that the judge is not going to take kindly to one party hauling away the other one's property without the court's blessings. When your association filed its foreclosure action against the property owner, you submitted this matter to the jurisdiction of the court. You would jeopardize your case by making an end run around the court and taking matters into your own hands.

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Joanne

I think your beliefs, desires, and vindictiveness could get your BOD in trouble. I suggest you tread lightly.

JoanneB2 (Florida)
Posts: 25
Posted:
Our community standards state: No commercial vehicles shall be parked or kept on any residential plot or on any street, easement, or parkway adjacent thereto. Residents will be allowed 5 days to remove a vehicle in this classification to outside storage or make other storage arrangements.
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Joanne

your options are pretty simple, you can do one of the following:

1) wait for the foreclosure to finalize at which time problem solved.
2) get a court order to have the vehicle towed, however, no guarantee it won't come back!
3) go ahead and tow it on your own and deal with the potential ramifications that will come, my guess is it won't be pretty.

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