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JimM23 (Florida)
Posts: 2
Posted:
We have a small community in Odessa, Fl...41 homes. We took partial title on a foreclosed property and have been renting it for the past year which has given us a large surplus of funds. We have no assets to maintain in the community and we have ample money in reserves for insurance deductibles, bad debt, etc. We would like to give the money to the community but rather than lower the yearly assessment, we would like to give a 'credit' on each homeowners account for the coming year since if we just lowered the assessment it would be hard to raise it back up next year due to our bylaws. Another option is to mail out a "refund" check to each homeowner after the assessments are paid, although that is much more work and expense. Can anyone comment on whether either approach has legal restrictions? Can we simply credit the homeowners account and send the assessment bill with the reduced amount due?

Thanks !

Jim Martinelli
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TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Jim,

If you have no common area to maintain, why are you even collecting assessments?
NancyG3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 342
Posted:
Jim - By assessments, do you mean yearly dues? If incorporated you may want to talk with an accountant or lawyer. If a non-profit corporation, this could possibly change your status. I am not a lawyer or an accountant, but this immediately came to mind.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
What Tim and Nancy said. It seems to me you have assets of some sort to maintain (check your documents.)

I understand not lowering the yearly assessmentso, why not freeze the current fee for a year or use it for community improvements? You may also consider setting up a contingency fund that would cover the insurance deductibles and budget shortfalls. I know you said the deductible is covered in reserves, but I would think you'd use that money for future replacement of community assets such as streets.


If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Jim

My initial blush would be to use the excess for improvements, build a reserve, not raise dues, etc. Candidly I would not be refunding, crediting, rebating, etc.

While your association is financially ahead right now, there might come a time/issue, etc. when the excess is needed and it will be much, much harder to raise dues especially if there were "refunds" in the past.

JimM23 (Florida)
Posts: 2
Posted:
We don't own the streets or lights, the county maintains them. We have no common ares, only two flowerbeds and a track of grass at the entrance. There is a brick wall and two brick monuments at the entrance which are insured. Small neighborhood, only 41 homes on two streets. Our yearly assessments(dues) cover the neighborhood expenses: property management fees, water, landscaping, insurance, professional fees. In the budget we have a bad debt item for 4 home's dues so we have a cushion. As you can see, there is nothing to "improve" in the community. Since the community has been renting the house we now have thousands of dollars of surplus in our account which could never be spent on anything in the community. I've researched Roberts Rules and there is no parliamentary restriction not to give the money back. From what I can tell, the responses so far are based on the notion you never give money back, what if you need it in the future but what is that amount? What if we keep renting the house for 5 years and we have $100,000 in surplus? At some point wouldn't you need to distribute some of that money back to the community? In which case what would be the best way? It seems a credit to the assessment would make sense, has anyone on the forum been involved with an assessment credit for their community for any reason?
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Before you do a credit, you need to finalize your taxes with the HOA for the year. So you may not know what the "surplus" is until after you file taxes. Its likely you will have to pay income tax on the rent since it is outside of normal HOA business.
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Personally, I would do a credit.
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Your taxes will be very complicated this year. Its unlikely you will be able to file a 1120-H and need to file a 1120. Has your HOA been making quarterly payments to the IRS for the income produced by the rental? You may need to pay income tax on the HOA members dues as well if a high certain percentage of your income is from the rental.

Exempt income includes membership dues, assessments, fees and interest on those fees.

Non-exempt income includes interest and dividends, rental income from property owned by the association, and laundry/vending machine income.

You have a ton of tax work to do before you can issue any credit, or you will need to raise dues just to pay the IRS.
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
I would simple put it in reserves and save for a rainy day. I wouldn't give back to homeowners...
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
One other thing to consider before giving any sort of refund: A non-profit association can make money but it generally cannot pay a dividend. A refund could be seen as a dividend and put your non-profit status in jeopardy. Reducing or waiving assessments may avoid this problem. Since I am not an expert on such matters, I would recommend discussing your options with an attorney before taking any action.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
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Posted By LarryB13 on 11/01/2012 7:53 AM
One other thing to consider before giving any sort of refund: A non-profit association can make money but it generally cannot pay a dividend. A refund could be seen as a dividend and put your non-profit status in jeopardy. Reducing or waiving assessments may avoid this problem. Since I am not an expert on such matters, I would recommend discussing your options with an attorney before taking any action.

It is a taxing, not a legal issue. Discuss it with your CPA.
JonD1
Posts: 2,350
Posted:
IMO the first thing to consider is this money was not collected from the home owners. It was generated as income from a rental property due to a foreclosure. Therefore, IMO you have no obligation to make the owners "whole" as this was never "their" money.

Now after renting the property for one year I wonder just what LARGE amount of monry we are talking about? And why or how you can't simply keep this for some unforeseen expenses down the road. Like if and when you have other homes going into foreclosure.

The knee jerk reaction I have seen many times when a surplus builds up is to return the money to the owners. And IF and WHEN all other expenses are planned for maybe then you might consider rebating funds. One year's rental income does not IMO constitute an enormous windfall.

I would NOT refund the surplus. As mentioned it causes many issues for the property, for the property owners who may have claimed all or some of the dues they paid as a deduction. You will have to pay taxes on that income as it was not paid to the association by a member and IMO would be considered an outside source of income.

Like the advice I would give any property or individual today if you are lucky enough to have excess funds put them away and use them in the event some unknown expense comes your way. I would guess in the northeast portion of our country today their are few properties who now beleive they have to much cash on hand. Suddenly they have a use for any and all of it.

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
The HOA owning the rental property is a BAD idea in my opinion. You do realize that the HOA does have to pay the assessment to the HOA for that property? Plus it has to deal with maintenance items of the house. It is rental property and it will need to be repaired. Plus incurr ALL the cost of owning property. Your HOA basically owns rental property and it should have insurance on it, pay it's dues, keep it maintained, pay property taxes, mortgage payments, and other costs associated with legal ownership.

I think it is too early in the process to discuss refunds as your HOA just added a new debt. Rental property isn't necessarily an "Asset". It's more of a liability in many aspects. What happens if the hot water heater goes out? The HOA has to replace it. So your money you think is all "extra" isn't. I caution you all to take a real look at what it means to own this property. Don't think you have felt all the consequences of it yet. May find there are issues here beyond just collecting rent.

Former HOA President
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
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Posted By JohnC46 on 11/01/2012 8:32 AM
Posted By LarryB13 on 11/01/2012 7:53 AM
One other thing to consider before giving any sort of refund: A non-profit association can make money but it generally cannot pay a dividend. A refund could be seen as a dividend and put your non-profit status in jeopardy. Reducing or waiving assessments may avoid this problem. Since I am not an expert on such matters, I would recommend discussing your options with an attorney before taking any action.


It is a taxing, not a legal issue. Discuss it with your CPA.

John,

I think you missed my point, so I will try again.

When the HOA was incorporated it most likely chose to be a non-profit corporation. I do not know about Florida, but in my state an HOA cannot be a business (for-profit) corporation.

The principal difference between for-profit and non-profit corporations is that a non-profit cannot pay dividends to its members (or other investors). Contrary to common belief, a non-profit can make a profit but the proceeds must stay with the association to carry out its work; the profits cannot be paid out to investors.

In this case, the HOA is earning a huge amount of income from the rental of a home. The rental income and the assessment income have created a huge surplus of cash. One proposal is to pay all or part of this surplus back to the homeowners/members. This could jeopardize the association's non-profit corporate status as it would then be paying out a dividend to the members from a surplus created by a business function of the association. The association would be doing precisely the thing that a non-profit corporation cannot do.

Depending on how much each member is paid, the association may have to file 1099's for each member. That will likely trigger some alarm bells at both state and federal levels. If you are acting as a business corporation, you can expect unwanted attention when you file tax returns for a non-profit.

There are other implications, too. Suppose one owner builds a fence and a shed, paints his house purple, and puts a 24-foot Penske truck on blocks in his front yard. If the the association attempts to enforce any of its rules, the homeowner could successfully challenge the action by arguing that the association no longer qualifies as an HOA under state law because the distribution of profits transformed it from a non-profit to a business corporation.

This is why I would strongly urge any association to seek out legal advice before paying surpluses back to its members.

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