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LisaL10 (California)
Posts: 21
Posted:
First, I thank you so much for all replies and feedbacks. I have learned a lot from this board.

We thought about having a emergency meeting to discuss followings today but we could not. Therefore me and other board member think we should have an executive session(next Friday) before annual meeting (Dec, 2012) to take care of important items.

1. Can we have an executive session to discuss following items 1, approve to send a claim notice to the developer by lawyer as soon as possible since we have a construction defect issue. We want to process this soon due to the state of limitation. 2. Appointing a new board member to fill out vacancy.

2. If I deliver the meeting notices to the each unit, then should I need signatures of receipts from homeowners? If the units are rented out, then are we obligated to send a notice to the homeowner by mail?

3. How long before the executive session meeting notice should be sent to homeowners and posted in public area? 2 days prior to meeting?

I have checked David-Stirling Act but I want to make sure we board

As mentioned previously, we don't trust MC much.
LisaL10 (California)
Posts: 21
Posted:
Another question -

Tonight at the meeting, MC says, we don't need to disclose details of what we discussed at the executive session. Agenda at the executive should be disclosed only. Is this commet correct? Based on what our MC said. it seems we don't keep minutes for executive session.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
Executive sessions are to discuss sensitive issues.

Per davis-stirlings executive session page topics are limited. (select link to see the topics).

Appointing someone to the Board is NOT one of those topics.

I'm not sure that the decision to send the claim is a sensitive issue. However, discussion surrounding the decision may me. In these cases, an executive session is usually entered from and adjourned to an open meeting. Then the decision itself is voted on in the open meeting.

Notice of an executive session meeting (held between regular meetings) must be done the same way as all other meetings. See davis-stirlings site for more info. If you click that link you will see that an executive session held between regular meetings requires 2 days notice.

Minutes of executive sessions should be kept but are not released to the membership (unless there is a court order to do so). This is because the executive session discusses sensitive topics and notation of the result of the executive session must be made in open meeting minutes.

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Generally Executive Sessions are to discuss personnel issues like salary, performance, firing, etc. Discuss late payers and specific courses of action, etc.

Excecutive Sessions are not for doing general association business. Many owners distrust Executive Sessions as they feel the BOD is doing business behind there backs.

What you might consider is calling a Special Meeting. Just give out the appropiate notice of such.

BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
I agree with the other advice, this is not executive session material. As John suggested if you feel a meeting is needed, call a special one but make sure you follow your documents on appropriate notice to homeowners.
JM10 (California)
Posts: 503
Posted:
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Posted By LisaL10 on 10/26/2012 2:16 AM
First, I thank you so much for all replies and feedbacks. I have learned a lot from this board.

We thought about having a emergency meeting to discuss followings today but we could not. Therefore me and other board member think we should have an executive session(next Friday) before annual meeting (Dec, 2012) to take care of important items.

1. Can we have an executive session to discuss following items 1, approve to send a claim notice to the developer by lawyer as soon as possible since we have a construction defect issue. We want to process this soon due to the state of limitation. 2. Appointing a new board member to fill out vacancy.

2. If I deliver the meeting notices to the each unit, then should I need signatures of receipts from homeowners? If the units are rented out, then are we obligated to send a notice to the homeowner by mail?

3. How long before the executive session meeting notice should be sent to homeowners and posted in public area? 2 days prior to meeting?

I have checked David-Stirling Act but I want to make sure we board

As mentioned previously, we don't trust MC much.

There are only specific things that can be discussed in executive sessions. An executive session requires member notification and that includes an agenda. For an idea of how executive sessions should be noted in minutes, check with your local school board. I got one from a community college. It lists the reason, sometimes by the legal statute being considered, but not specifics. You need to keep meeting minute notes and who voted for what. Who voted for what is important for all meetings for legal liability and for an informed vote. Executive session minutes are required to be included in the next meeting minutes.

Your questions indicated you haven't read the Davis-Stirling Act closely.

The act only requires posting in a public place. Mail or email only if it has been requested. At least two days in advance. Your secretary should have a list of members who requested mail/email notification, but if you have an email list, it would increase transparency and thus trust in the board in my opinion if you emailed notification.

Our board had to be taken to court.

Also note that your CC&R may require more advance notice. For instance, our CC&R required 10-day notification for ANY meeting except emergency meetings. Thus, our board was required to follow this and was taken to court as part of an enforcement action.
JM10 (California)
Posts: 503
Posted:
Our board had to be taken to court because they refused to give mail/email notification. We requested email. They emailed newsletters to everyone but us and refused to email us meeting notification. We were the only off-site owners.

Didn't complete that thought due to dog wanting to type.

Time for a walk.
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Others are right--on the surface it doesn't appear that the topics, Lisa, should be in executive session. But I'm not sure about a discussion to send a claim notice to your delveloper. Potential lawsuits SHOULD be discussed in executive session. I HOPE THAT YOU HAVE A GOOD CONSTRUCTION DEFECT ATTORNEY!! They need to be totally familiar with the Davis-Stirling legislation as all of the requirements are listed in it. You shouldn't just be using any attorney. Some HOA legal firms also engage in construction defect legal actions. You might consider this

As I wrote in reply to one of your other posts, a special meeting of the board could be held and requires 4-days posted notice. The notice has to be in a public place--ours are in our mailrooms. There's no requirement to hand deliver or mail them.

Yes, general comments about the topics that were discussed in ES must be noted in an open meeting and be in the minutes.

I'm thinking that you & your board should have a session with your HOA attorney to learn more about your rights and obligations. It sounds like you're all trying to teach yourselves, but that can be very frustrating and interpretation of the law is EVERYTHING.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 1,767
Posted:
Lisa

You asked two questions. My response to the first question, this is a topic to be discussed in Executive Session, because of the fact, as you stated, a claim is being sent to the developer by the LAWYER. At the next open meeting, it must be disclosed, in general terms, without going into specifics, that the association may or may not have a construction defect issue/case. This may effect whether or not a homoewner can get a loan or homeowner's ability to refinance when there may be pending litigation.

To answer your second question, the appointment of a member to fill a vacant board position, MUST be done in a properly noticed open meeting.
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Lisa, I urge you NOT to divulge the nature of your potential legal action against the developer without your attorney's OK. I believe you need only disclose that the Association may initiate legal action. I do not believe that you need to be as specific as to say against whom. Neither Richard nor I are attorneys.

But don't delay, you probably fall under the defect legislation called SB800 & may need to move very fast!
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Carol

When you say neither Richard nor you...are you two related somehow?
LisaL10 (California)
Posts: 21
Posted:
Thank you all.

I guess this time, we will have executive session only for the discussion on claim process against the developer, since it's important and running out of time. We will post this executive session meeting notice in public area 4 days prior to the session.

Then in next regular meeting in Dec, we will appoint a new board member.

We have discussed the claim issue for a while. THe board has not decided whether we start with a laywer or not.

RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 1,767
Posted:
Lisa

For executive session, you only need two day notice. Here is is sample agenda you can use for posting purposes. You just want to be general in nature, nothing specific when you post.

http://www.davis-stirling.com/MainIndex/ESAgenda/tabid/3419/Default.aspx#axzz2ASfW74mg
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Lisa, I urge your Board to interview 3 firms that specialize in construction defects right away! Don't talk about this on your own, you need professional advice.

In our defect case, we interviewed 3 firms and none charged us for that initial interview. The best part about the interviews is that we directors learned a lot!!

I'm worried that the statutes of limitation in your case already have been blown--act now!!
JM10 (California)
Posts: 503
Posted:
I agree with Carol. Your board needs to educate themselves. This doesn't mean it has to come through a lawyer.

If you gather examples from your local organizations such as community colleges and other school boards as well as city government, these examples will give you a good idea of how to take notes and post within the minutes for an executive/closed session.

CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Lisa, I hope that JM is NOT saying that you would be able to educate yourselves about construction defect litigation. Having been through the litigation process, I guarantee you that you won't be able to. Our board even had an construction defect mediator on it in the 1st couple of years of our existence ('01--'03) before I lived here, and he did not suggest that statutes of limitation were running and that the then-board needed to act.

There are legal processes that must followed to the letter.

I think JM means about other aspects of HOA biz like taking minutes, organization agendas.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Just a reminder here folks. Laws can vary widely from state to state to the extent that in some states the entire BOD can meet any time, any where, and discuss anything they want to without minutes. As long as they do not call the meeting to order, it never happened. In some states their only obligation is a once a year, properly notify all owners, association meeting and they do not even have to publish an agenda.

Davis-Sterling and FL whatever 700 number aside, things are not the same.

Not that I advocate hide all. Actually quite the opposite but what is fair, what you personally want, and what is legal are often quite often three very, very different issues.

JM10 (California)
Posts: 503
Posted:
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Posted By CarolR11 on 10/27/2012 1:39 PM
Lisa, I hope that JM is NOT saying that you would be able to educate yourselves about construction defect litigation. Having been through the litigation process, I guarantee you that you won't be able to. Our board even had an construction defect mediator on it in the 1st couple of years of our existence ('01--'03) before I lived here, and he did not suggest that statutes of limitation were running and that the then-board needed to act.

There are legal processes that must followed to the letter.

I think JM means about other aspects of HOA biz like taking minutes, organization agendas.

Carol is correct. I mean that there are plenty of ways to educate the board regarding minutes and agendas.

These things do NOT require a lawyer and having a lawyer educate you about taking minutes or setting agendas is expensive.

The original questions seemed to indicate that the board didn't know what could be dealt with in an executive session and other basics.

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