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YolandaW1 (Georgia)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Last year the board that was in place came up with a budget. This was our first year and they were not aware of the many things that were needed to keep a community running. This year with fresh faces and everyone on the board chipping in all previous experience it has come to the attention of the board that the previous budget in no way will help to run the community. the things that were forgotten in the previous budget had to do with Legal expenses. Insurances etc. the only thing they had in the budget was landscaping and capital improvement. which totaled about 13k it looks like now the budget needs to be 27k which would increase the dues by 150 to 200 dollars a year.

Now the history with this community is that they are not aware of all the cost associated and the rebuttle from them is going to be harse they want alot of things and dont want to pay for them. our bylaws committee has just finished the bylaws and according to the preliminary things covering the community it is ok but there are still alot of things that need to go in it and we are forwarding to the attorney for final review.

all budgets have to be voted and approved but my confusion is that does it go to the board for vote or does it go to the community. there is no real clear answer in our documents. the bylaws state that after we have a budget than we can raise a max of 5% a year. How would you handle this situation. The things on this budget is very very necessary.

VP of association.
JonD1
Posts: 2,350
Posted:
What size complex do you have?
How many units?
Any reserve account in place?
How old is the property?

Perhaps this might give us some needed information.

As to the budget question our budget is prepared and approved by the Board. To bring all the property owners into this decision would seem to me to complicate the matter needlessly.

After serving 20 years on my Board now as president for the last 4 it might sound critical but in my case true the more you involve the property owners the more difficult simple matters can become.

As is always mentioned you need to check your documents to see if you are required to present the budget to th property owners. Seems to me from the information you provided even the members of your Board have in the past been unable to make "wise" decisions as to the budget required to operate your property. How then could you expect someone with less information and knowledge to make a sensable suggestion (the property owners)?

The Board is elected to manage and oversee the operations of the property it is their job not the individual property owners if so progress and decision making will grind down to a halt.

MHO
LanceT (Alabama)
Posts: 121
Posted:
Your rules on the budget and dues raising is similar to mine. It really puts the HOA in a "pickle" when this happens. Your options may be limitted to having a "special assessment" just to catch everything up and increasing the dues the 5%. It's a hard pill to swallow but it may be necessary.
First, everyone needs to understand how a budget in a HOA is to be setup. It's not like your personal bank account. A HOA is a corporation and the members it's shareholders. The board is elected to REPRESENT the ENTIRE membership and spend the money as dictated by the needs of the HOA. The budget is set by the elected board and is to make it fulfills the obligations of the year plus some reserves.
Here's the trick you need to know and understand about the corporation budget and deciding how much to collect. THE CORPORATION MUST SPEND AS MUCH MONEY AS IT COLLECTS AS IT SPENDS. (ALLOWANCE FOR SOME RESERVE/SAVINGS FUND). Any money outside of this is TAXABLE.
When your board sets up their budget they really need to know exactly how much they spend on routine items such as landscaping, pool care, garbage pickup, and other amenities. Legal expenses vary and depend on what the items are. If your HOA keeps an attorney on retainer each year then that would be considered a routine expense. If the legal fees are for liens/foreclosures then that might be a "miscellaneous" expense since it isn't constant.
Once it is assessed as what is a constant expense then those costs must be divided EQUALLY amongst EVERY member/homeowner even if they don't pay. A budget in a HOA works like a "Poker Kitty" everyone pitches in. The winnings are then divied out to the appropriate bills. So be careful with deciding how much to special assess. It should be ONLY to cover a specific amount. You also don't raise dues just for dues raising sake either. There must be a reason and just collecting money because you think you may need it isn't one of them. Collect the money you need plus a little savings for future repairs and you should be set.

Recovering Ex-President of a HOA
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Posted By LanceT on 02/18/2007 1:02 PM
Here's the trick you need to know and understand about the corporation budget and deciding how much to collect. THE CORPORATION MUST SPEND AS MUCH MONEY AS IT COLLECTS AS IT SPENDS. (ALLOWANCE FOR SOME RESERVE/SAVINGS FUND). Any money outside of this is TAXABLE.

Please check out your comments Lance. Most HOAs file IRS form 1120-H and do not have to spend as much money as they collect. Taxable is interest income and income not related to assessments (such as income from renting out HOA facilities) less deductions for previous years taxes, tax preparation fees, money management fees related to investing plus the $100 standard deduction.

DanaB1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 319
Posted:
You bring up a very good point Roger. Many boards come in over budget as opposed to under budget. They never have a surplus; they always fall short. Would you mind explaining what they should do with extra funds if they happen to end up with a surplus at years end?

Thanks,

Dana
WilliamT (Arizona)
Posts: 489
Posted:
Posted By DanaB1 on 02/19/2007 5:45 AM

You bring up a very good point Roger. Many boards come in over budget as opposed to under budget. They never have a surplus; they always fall short. Would you mind explaining what they should do with extra funds if they happen to end up with a surplus at years end?

Thanks,

Dana


Dana, you should first look to begin the new year with at least two months worth of operating funds. The rest should be placed into the reserve fund.

As an example, if your monthly operating budget is $10,000 and you have cash in the operating fund of $30,000 at year end, you can leave $20,000 in the operating fund because you must have cash to operate in case of emergencies and in case, for some reason, your income doesn't come in during those two months.

The balance of the $30,000, or $10,000 you place into the reserve fund.

PatrickH (California)
Posts: 204
Posted:
Hi Yolanda,

Since this is your HOA's first year, your bound to come up with a few problems. The first one I saw was that you're new bylaws limit the dues increase to a maximum of only 5% per year. That's not much, you should talk with the people making the bylaws about raising that to 10% maixmium. If you read around this site, you'll see many associations have maximum allowable increases of around 10%. Otherwise, you may be regularly going to the owners asking they to vote on an increae above your 5% limit.

In your case, you should send out a letter to all the owners explaining the reasons why the dues need to be increased and let them vote on it. As you said, exerything in the proposed budget is necessary, so make a newsletter explaining each item to them. They're all in the same as boat you, just getting started in a new HOA, so they probably will be understanding of the situation. The increase you're proposing is only $ 4 per month, so that's a pretty small price to pay to get your HOA off on the right foot.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Patrick's math is a little off $150 - $200 raise a year would be $4 a week not a month. But otherwise he is right on point. Lay it out for the community, don't blame just admit that there were things that were not factored in and instead of making a special assessment this is what dues need to raise to and why. Also don't forget to budget for reserves.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Posted By DanaB1 on 02/19/2007 5:45 AM

You bring up a very good point Roger. Many boards come in over budget as opposed to under budget. They never have a surplus; they always fall short. Would you mind explaining what they should do with extra funds if they happen to end up with a surplus at years end?

Thanks,

Dana


Your CC&R's should explain what to do with the surplus, don't assume that you can put it into reserves; many CC&R's mandate that the surplus money be divided among the homeowners and returned to them or applied against their next year's assessment. In Ohio we were allowed by the state to add this provision to our By-Laws: Upon determination that the Association has collected a Common Surplus at the end of any Fiscal year, apply such amount toward reserves.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
JM2 (Oregon)
Posts: 439
Posted:
Hi Yolanda:

It may be worthwhile to either get your insurance agent or (better) the Association's lawyer to explain to the owners that if the Associaiton does not carry adequate liability insurance, and someone gets injured, the liabilty falls to the individual owners...

You may need to amend your bylaws as part of the process. Was the previous board run by the developer? Some developers will set the budget low because it is a nice selling point to potential owners that the assessments are "minimal." Then, it falls to the board to have to sell the owners on the increased budget need. Some of them may have purchased at the edge of their finances, not able to pay an increased assessment as well as their mortgage...it's a tough sell.

If they don't want to raise assessments, then you need to ask them if they want to cut the lawn themselves, etc. or go without insurance... sometimes it takes asking the hard questions in order for them to see the light at the end of the tunnel (which may be a train......).
YolandaW (Georgia)
Posts: 11
Posted:
I want to thank everyone for there comments and sorry could not get back to you guys sooner the board had meetings all weekend and hearings for owners wanting to do structual changes. and we were so swamped that i came in an crashed after attending to the family and finishing up on my job work that i brought home for the weekend.

To answer all questions

The subidivison will have 87 homes when fully occupied currently there are 65 homes sold and considered to be occupied.

All homes are single family homes

We do not have a reserve account I am in the process of coming up with what needs to be in the budget.
The properties are no older than 2 years old the youngest property is approximately 3 months old and the builders are still building and selling. This year should be the last year they are here.

I was voted on the board because of my experience with hoa in New York. I was the present for 7 years and vp for 5 and secretary 5. So i have the most experience. The only difference is the laws in georgia vs New York.
well thats not the only difference but that is one of the main ones.

As for the preparation of the budget last year i believe the members of the board did the best they could with what they had.
Regarding the by laws they are in review with the board after the bylaws committee has suggested there ideas and terms of what should be in it. Regarding the 5% cap that will be instituted once the budget is in place. We have also addressed special assessments.

Regarding the budge issue the one thing i always advise the board is that whatever mistakes were made were done and we have to move on from there.

The news letter was something that was going to be addressed. the board was thinking about having a meeting and addressing everything at the meeting but informing everyone within the first news package presented that the budget needs to be rectified.
it looks like we will be closer to 300 a year according to the main things that need to be added to the budget. so we are looking at double the dues as apposed to the older numbers. The attorneys are in the process of looking over the information.

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