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JeffS21 (Tennessee)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Is there a requirement for the Board to give out the annual budget for the Association's Income and expenses? We moved into a new association and requested the annual report and have been ignored repeatedly. What rights do I have as a member of this association? Past associations provided us with an annual report, but it seems Tennessee HOA's do not need to reply to inquiries. Any help is greatly appreciated. Never had an association ignore a request like this.
JC7
Posts: 31
Posted:
Have you had a chance to read your ByLaws? It should state when the Annual Meeting is held. Is the HOA managed by a property management company? If so they should be able to answer the question. If that doesn't work go to the next HOA meeting and make your request in person and in writing. Good Luck
NancyG3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 342
Posted:
Jeff - Check in your Assn By-Laws. This is where you should find the information you are asking for. In our By-Laws under Duties of Officers -"Treasurer" it states "shall prepare an annual budget and a statement of income and expenditures to be presented to the membership at its regular annual meeting, and deliver a copy of each to the members." It is also the Boards duty to give you a copy of the annual audit. Write the Board again and send it certified mail and quote your By-Laws and give them a certain time limit to provide you with this information. You also have a right to inspect the books. All this info should be in your By-Laws. If they don't respond write them again and advise if they do not supply this information to you, you will seek legal action. Then it is up to you if you wish to take it any further. Sometimes a letter from an Attorney will get action, but will cost you to get a lawyer to write the letter. Hope this info helps.
JeffS21 (Tennessee)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Thanks by-laws very vague and it seems I wasn't given complete copy at closing. Will go door to door to find out who my elected Board members are and when the next meeting is taking place. Only received incomplete by-laws when I refused to close on house until I had what I thought was complete set.
JeffS21 (Tennessee)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Thanks by-laws very vague and it seems I wasn't given complete copy at closing. Will go door to door to find out who my elected Board members are and when the next meeting is taking place. Only received incomplete by-laws when I refused to close on house until I had what I thought was complete set.
JeffS21 (Tennessee)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Sorry I know the Treasurer, this person has refused to acknowledge my requests. Need to find other board members to inquire.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
It isn't a "Tennessee" thing. It's your HOA. Each HOA is different and NOT run by professionals. You may be able to see the report but not get a copy. They probably prefer to talk about this at the meetings than outside of them. I will admit we didn't really have an annual budget although required by the by-laws. It depends on the size and the formality of the HOA if annual budgets are in play. I couldn't imagine being able to keep to an annual budget even if we created one. An annual budget is just a guideline not gospel.

Your CC&R's and Incorporation documents are considered PUBLIC documents. You have to go to the Records department of your local courthouse to get a copy of your CC&R's. The Articles of Incorporation are filed at the state level and may be available online. Someone here may post a link or can be googled. The ACC and By-laws aren't required to be filed in most states. So the HOA or former owners may provide a copy. However, not required by any laws to do so. Hence why you may not have a complete set of by-laws and all your documents. It's considered YOUR responsibility to be informed. That is why the documents are public.

Former HOA President
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MelissaP1 on 10/18/2012 10:05 PM

I will admit we didn't really have an annual budget although required by the by-laws. It depends on the size and the formality of the HOA if annual budgets are in play. I couldn't imagine being able to keep to an annual budget even if we created one. An annual budget is just a guideline not gospel.

Melissa,

How does your Board determine the annual Assessment without an annual budget (as it's the budget that is used to determine how much you need to bring in to meet expected expenses)?

Although it is true that where Boards have the authority to adopt/amend a budget, the budget is somewhat of a guideline, where budgets have to be approved by the membership I would expect it to be a hard line on how much can be spent in each category/line item.

GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Jeff since TN doesn't have HOA statutes, the non-profit statutes would apply. Unfortunately TN is not very user friendly to find them unlike other states so you will need to search for them. If they are like most other states they will require the HOA to give you an annual report. You could also contact the TN Secretary of State's office to find out who your HOA's registered agent is and contact them.

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MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Tim, it didn't take us an annual budget to figure out our requirements. I did try to make an annual budget but due to various reasons it wasn't exactly possible to put into place. In the end, it worked out because of simple math and the rules. We paid $50 a month with a $20 late fee. There were 107 owners. Our HOA must meet bills were about $5K a month. There was frequent owner turnover as houses could sell fast.

We provided a monthly expense report at every monthly meeting so people did not need to ask for an annual report. It was more important to them to review what we did monthly on the short term. Plus I had figured out on past history the percentage of regular payers. It was about 85 to 90% who paid on time every time. There was another 5% that would pay late. The other 5% would be non-payers. Basically figured out that atleast 7 homes did not pay their assessments and budgeted for 100 homes meeting the dues on the good months.

If you figure out the number of homes that meet the dues and you know your monthly bills, then no need to mess with your annual budget at all. I let people know the number who routinely paid and let them know we were pursuing those who didn't. We always had the option to raise our dues 2 to 3 % annually or have a special assessment to meet any changes. An option I never took as was pretty good with keeping our budget under control through openness of the monthly expense reports.

Now after I left office is when our HOA's trouble began. The new Board raised our dues and had a special unneccessary assessment. I had the budget in balance. They spent the whole month's budget the first month in on their "special projects". They did not get the concept that $5K collected at the beginning of the month did NOT mean we had $5K in the bank at the end of the month. A hard lesson that took them a few months to sort out and to this day continue to raise dues annually. These people truly did not know how to budget...Which was quite obvious if one attended a meeting of theirs. The same of which I recommend if you have concerns about how your HOA spends money. Look at their monthly short term spending and attend meetings. That's how you understand your HOA's spending habits the best.

Former HOA President
JoeW6 (Tennessee)
Posts: 1
Posted:
Jeff,

You may want to check on the TN Horizontal Property Act (66-27-101) and the TN Condominium Act of 2008 (66-27-201). Both may be helpful to you. There is a provision in the later act that outlines information that must be provided upon request. You can find this detailed in 66-27-503. There are even penalties in place should the information not be provided.

As has been mentioned already, you may also find provisions in your governing documents that address your right to financial records for your association. If you are not sure that you have a complete set it may be worth checking with your county Register of Deed’s office. Alternatively, I would be happy to help research them further if you are in a county for which we have access to these records. Let me know if I can help.

Joe
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Jeff,

Joe pointed out the TN Horizontal Property Act and the TN Condominium Act. He should have also referenced TN Corporate Statutes as it's typical for Associations to be incorporated. Since corporate laws typically address procedures, it's usually best to check these when looking at what rights members have and what procedures should be followed in a corporation.

As I previously stated, if your Association is incorporated as a non-profit corporation (most are), the TN corporate laws apply and these also specify what records you are allowed to view and copy. See Tenn. Code Ann. § 48-66-102 (title 48, chapter 66 section 102).

TN statutes are available through lexisnexis.com.

Hope this helps,

Tim

Per that statute:

48-66-102. Inspection of records by members.

(a) Subject to § 48-66-103(c), a member is entitled to inspect and copy, at a reasonable time and location specified by the corporation, any of the records of the corporation described in § 48-66-101(e) if the member gives the corporation a written demand at least five (5) business days before the date on which the member wishes to inspect and copy.

(b) A member is entitled to inspect and copy, at a reasonable time and reasonable location specified by the corporation, any of the following records of the corporation if the member meets the requirements of subsection (c) and gives the corporation written notice at least five (5) business days before the date on which the member wishes to inspect and copy:

(1) Excerpts from any records required to be maintained under § 48-66-101(a), to the extent not subject to inspection under subsection (a);

(2) Accounting records of the corporation; and

(3) Subject to § 48-66-105, the membership list.

(c) A member may inspect and copy the records identified in subsection (b) only if:

(1) The member's demand is made in good faith and for a proper purpose;

(2) The member describes with reasonable particularity the purpose and the records the member desires to inspect; and

(3) The records are directly connected with the purpose for which the demand is made.

(d) The right of inspection granted by this section may not be abolished or limited by a corporation's charter or bylaws.

(e) This section does not affect:

(1) The right of a member to inspect records under § 48-57-201 or, if the member is in litigation with the corporation, to the same extent as any other litigant; or

(2) The power of a court, independently of chapters 51-68 of this title, to compel the production of corporate records for examination.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Is Joe not violating terms of service (TOS) in linking/advertising his service/company?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JohnC46 on 10/19/2012 5:46 PM
Is Joe not violating terms of service (TOS) in linking/advertising his service/company?

Possibly.

However, I think he was posting it as a method to assist (clarifying how he might have access to those documents). The posting didn't appear to be soliciting service but was offering methods (citing TN laws) to assist the OP in obtaining access to his records.

JeffS21 (Tennessee)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Thank you everyone, I mentioned the information provided and received more information today.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Glad to hear it.
hoatalk (California)
Posts: 603
Posted:
Hi Everyone. Joe wasn't trying to break the rules as he emailed us after asking about them. I removed his company info so all is well now.

Joe, Welcome to the forum and thanks for asking about the rules.

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