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TravisJ (Utah)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Just wondering if anyone has ideas on how to handle parking violations from guests. This is our problem: We have rules est. to prevent on street parking for greater than 6 hours, no overnight parking, no parking w/in 50' or our gates, and no parking on any sidewalks. We have fines installed into our CC&R's and just recently changed our rules to include harsher enforcement (random towing/booting) for violators. Since voting thru the new enforcement (towing), many homeowners have complained that it takes away from our community to have someone randomly driving thru searching for profits. As the HOA President, I have assured them that the BOD will have in place rules to make the "towing patrol" random and not constant. This doesn't appeal to homeowners and they want us to resend the new enforcement tactic. Fines have never worked unless we have proof the car is associated with a specific home. Generally, the person being fined states that the car in question wasn't visiting them and unless we have a communist informant we really don't have a leg to stand on with regard to fines. HELP! Any suggestions would be appreciated.
RonaldW (South Carolina)
Posts: 901
Posted:
The board is able to pass "rules" without the approval of the membership? Our parking "rules" are in the covenants and would require a favorable vote of 75% of the membership to change.

Do the majority of the members not want parking rules or just a vocal minority? Your rules seem pretty strict to me. Six hours? What about overnight guests? Family? Children home from school? Are there "legal" visitor parking areas or do the homeowners have driveways where guests can park for longer times?

I'm assuming these are private, not public streets and sidewalks. There is only one way you can enforce any parking rules with respect to non members and that is to tow or boot their vehicles. You can't fine them, and you can't suspend their voting or ammenity privliges.

Ron
SC
CharlesW1 (Georgia)
Posts: 826
Posted:
TravisJ,

I can relate, although I don’t live in a gated community nor do I have private streets (I can not “boot” or tow). We are a sub-division of 275 homes with many hills and the streets are narrow (as it is). The streets are owned and maintained by the county.

In our CC&R is states no street parking, but that is extremely hard to enforce. We have tried just about everything we can think of doing, without illegally doing it.

I don’t even know if this is legal or not. My suggestion would be to warn all homeowners certified, signature request notifying them that this is one of the most abused rules in the community and each homeowner will be held accountable for any fines, fees and towing charges accrued by their guess.

If there is a “boot” on the vehicle they (violator) can not drive away, and then, the violator would have to call to have the boot removed. You then would know who they were and who they were visiting. You could then assess that homeowner any/all fees. Same goes with towed vehicles. In the “warning letter” you can list the number to call in the event that their guess vehicle has been towed or “booted”.

Perhaps, you could even have the homeowner sign and return the letter saying that they understand and accept full responsibility for the actions of their guests. I would also suggest having the letter returned now later than ____________ and stick to it. You’ll look like the bad guy the first couple of violators you have, but you must stick to your guns or they will abuse this rule you are trying to enforce!

You aren’t going to be liked, regardless of what you do. As the ole' saying goes “if they arn't complaining then you aren’t doing your job”!

Best of luck,
Keep us posted

Chuck W.

Charles E. Wafer Jr.
TravisJ (Utah)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Thanks for the input. A certified letter w/signature is something we haven't discussed. I like the fact that every homeowners has to acknowledge the rules, etc. etc. and return the letter signed. At least that will give them no excuses. I'll bring this solution up at our next board meeting. Thanks again!
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Posted By TravisJ on 02/17/2007 9:57 AM
Thanks for the input. A certified letter w/signature is something we haven't discussed. I like the fact that every homeowners has to acknowledge the rules, etc. etc. and return the letter signed. At least that will give them no excuses. I'll bring this solution up at our next board meeting. Thanks again!

A certified letter w/signature (return receipt) does not have to be accepted. A letter requesting a signature and return does not have to be signed or returned. So this is at best a partial solution.

HaroldS (Arizona)
Posts: 906
Posted:
Travis - I don't think you are listening. In the first place, you cannot make rules that are more strict than your original documents. Your board has no authority to make such a major change to your documents without the proper percent of owner consent.
I would also suspect, the first visitor car you boot or tow will file a lawsuit against your board. I know I would. You can try to fine an owner if you can prove guests have violated your covenants, but you better keep your hands off visitor's vehicles. They have not signed an agreement with you and are not beholden to your rules. Your entire recourse is with your owners. Harold
TomH2 (California)
Posts: 2
Posted:
I am on the Board of The Colony in Concord, Ca. We all have 2 car garages and there are limited Visitor Parking. Residents who have more then 2 cars must park the other cars outside of the Complex on the Street (ample parking) If you have a visitor that is spending more than a few days, you must register him with the HOA Management office with make of car, license etc and for a maximum of 14 days. Residents caught using the visitor parking are tagged with a bright orange no parking sticker on the front passenger window that gives them 3 days to move their car or automatic towing. The tags are called into the Management Company and they followup. There are always a few A holes that try to circumvent the rules but they learn their lesson when cars are towed.
TiffanyB (California)
Posts: 1
Posted:
How do you know which vehicles belong to residents and which to visitors? We have a similar situation (condos with 2-car garages) but many residents park in guest parking. The problem is it's really hard to distinguish one from the other and we've accidently towed visitor vehicles.
RonaldW (South Carolina)
Posts: 901
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By HaroldS on 02/17/2007 1:14 PM
Travis - I don't think you are listening. In the first place, you cannot make rules that are more strict than your original documents. Your board has no authority to make such a major change to your documents without the proper percent of owner consent.
I would also suspect, the first visitor car you boot or tow will file a lawsuit against your board. I know I would. You can try to fine an owner if you can prove guests have violated your covenants, but you better keep your hands off visitor's vehicles. They have not signed an agreement with you and are not beholden to your rules. Your entire recourse is with your owners. Harold

Harold, I agree with you on not making rules that are more strict than the original documents (unless the original documents provide for this), but if the association owns the roads or parking lots they can do what they please with them. If they post "No Parking" signs and signs indicating that violator's vehicles will be towed and follow any other legal conditions on towing, then they can tow without fear of a lawsuit.

Ron
SC
Jadedone4 (Virginia)
Posts: 495
Posted:
I await (on pins and needles) any solutions to this issue - as it will be one of our "top ten" in the next few months.

I agree with the last post how to tell who is a visitor and a resident? Thought/considered decals, which would offer "no towing" status, but that would simply have owners park in the guest spots, and have guests in their private property spots (mix use community, with one, two car garages which translates into two, or four available parking spaces on owner's private property).

Thought about a universal "registration" of vehicles, where each owner would be required to register with HOA, and then assigned a sticker/decal for the number of vehicles they could have. If found in violation of parking in guest spots for longer than 24hrs, the sticker/decal would ID the owner (have unit number, or another assigned number). Then the issue here would be how to manage guest parking. Absent a photo camera system, we would need to have a "hall monitor" to check the frequency of a guest "parker" by the number of times vehicle in same area (and how does this affect a "guest" parker, coming in out of community, and using a different space).

Trying to "legislate" etiquette and "good neighbor" behaviour (as in don't abuse parking) is a difficult (and potentially costly) issue to solve.

HaroldS1 (Arizona)
Posts: 314
Posted:
"If they post "No Parking" signs and signs indicating that violator's vehicles will be towed and follow any other legal conditions on towing, then they can tow without fear of a lawsuit."
That's a big IF. And that's true on private roads only. But Travis didn't mention either signs or private roads in his post.
RonaldW (South Carolina)
Posts: 901
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By HaroldS1 on 05/05/2007 1:31 PM
"If they post "No Parking" signs and signs indicating that violator's vehicles will be towed and follow any other legal conditions on towing, then they can tow without fear of a lawsuit."
That's a big IF. And that's true on private roads only. But Travis didn't mention either signs or private roads in his post.

There's plenty of commercial areas where illegally parked vehicles are towed. You've seen the signs.

Yes, they have to own the road or lot.

Ron
SC
HaroldS1 (Arizona)
Posts: 314
Posted:
Uh Ron - what is your point? Now you are bringing up commercial parking lots with signs. What is the relevance to this discussion?
We still don't know if Travis' HOA has privately owned streets and is signed, and he seems to have abandoned this discussion. It is really moot without that information. Harold
RonaldW (South Carolina)
Posts: 901
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By HaroldS1 on 05/05/2007 3:15 PM
Uh Ron - what is your point? Now you are bringing up commercial parking lots with signs. What is the relevance to this discussion?
We still don't know if Travis' HOA has privately owned streets and is signed, and he seems to have abandoned this discussion. It is really moot without that information. Harold

My "point" is that if the association owns the streets and/or parking areas, they have control over their use and can tow vehicles parked on that property if they follow local laws regarding towing and private property. The reference to a commercial parking lot is an example of other instances where this is done, just in case anyone needed an example.

On the Internet, it's difficult to know your audience.

Ron
SC
HeleneW (Louisiana)
Posts: 1
Posted:
I think we all have this issue at one time or another. We are a 62 lot s/d in Louisiana. In our parish (you guys probably have counties) there is actually an ordinance that allows citations to be issued for parking on the street overnight, or even worse---in the grass/front yard. Check with your local law enforcment group to see if you have anything similar you can rely on.
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Those who have been on here a while know how I feel about towing, I am against. I think it opens you up to liability even if you have signs and own the streets. That is my 2 cents right or wrong.

How to discern whose vehicle is whose, adopt a bylaw that makes it mandatory to register your vehicles with the HOA. You won't get 100% of the people, but you will get most of them.

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