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RobertS17 (Florida)
Posts: 52
Posted:
We have a HOA that hasn't been fulfilling its duties and we are trying to get it back on track and function in accordance with the governing documents. I am carefully reading through each document and trying to get an understanding of what each article means and have a stupid question…

From our bylaws: "Any notice of meetings may be waived by a member by submitting a signed waiver either before or after the meeting, or by attendance at the meeting and such waiver being duly noted in the annual minutes."

What exactly does that mean?
PeterD3 (Florida)
Posts: 708
Posted:
It seems to suggest any member may waive his/her right to meeting notices.

But 720.303 contains the following:

Notices of all board meetings must be posted in a conspicuous place in the community at least 48 hours in advance of a meeting, except in an emergency. In the alternative, if notice is not posted in a conspicuous place in the community, notice of each board meeting must be mailed or delivered to each member at least 7 days before the meeting, except in an emergency. Notwithstanding this general notice requirement, for communities with more than 100 members, the bylaws may provide for a reasonable alternative to posting or mailing of notice for each board meeting, including publication of notice, provision of a schedule of board meetings, or the conspicuous posting and repeated broadcasting of the notice on a closed-circuit cable television system serving the homeowners’ association. However, if broadcast notice is used in lieu of a notice posted physically in the community, the notice must be broadcast at least four times every broadcast hour of each day that a posted notice is otherwise required. When broadcast notice is provided, the notice and agenda must be broadcast in a manner and for a sufficient continuous length of time so as to allow an average reader to observe the notice and read and comprehend the entire content of the notice and the agenda. The bylaws or amended bylaws may provide for giving notice by electronic transmission in a manner authorized by law for meetings of the board of directors, committee meetings requiring notice under this section, and annual and special meetings of the members; however, a member must consent in writing to receiving notice by electronic transmission.

To see the entire section go here:
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0700-0799/0720/Sections/0720.303.html

Though one may elect to be omitted from notices individually it does not relieve the HOA from making notices to the membership as a whole which makes waiving moot.

So it seems your docs. are trumped in this issue.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Robert

I am not sure how it applies to your example, but a waiver is one giving up their rights to something.

Let us say I have a contract/deal with you that says you must give me 6 months notice if you intend to cancel this contract.

Now I can agree to "waive" the 6 months (surrender my right to the 6 months) if I wish to. Like make it of interest me to do so, like offer me 3 months of pay right now to "waive" (surrender/give up) my right to the 6 moths of notice and I might do it. I might not.

Now let us apply the term "surrender/give up" to your post:

From our bylaws: "Any notice of meetings may be waived by a member by submitting a signed waiver either before or after the meeting, or by attendance at the meeting and such waiver being duly noted in the annual minutes."

From our bylaws: "Any notice of meetings may be given up by a member by submitting a signed agreement to give up such either before or after the meeting, or by attendance at the meeting and such agreement to give up such right being duly noted in the annual minutes."

As I read it. If I am entitled to say a 30 days notice of a "meeting", I may "give up my entitlement" to such 30 day notice with a "waiver, agreeing to give up such" before, after, or during such meeting.

Not saying I agree with it, just giving my interpretation of such.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Robert,

Typically meetings require x days notice (lets say 30).

Sometimes an emergency happens and you need to hold a meeting now, not in 30 days. Therefore, you call everyone and say we are meeting next week. When this happens, everyone needs to sign a waiver of notice. This way the meeting was considered in compliance. Meetings always need to be in compliance with any requirements (notice, quorum, etc.) in case a decision made at the meeting is ever challenged.

I have only ever seen Board members sign a waiver of notice. I've never seen one for the general membership (but it could happen).

LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
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Posted By RobertS17 on 10/05/2012 3:25 PM
We have a HOA that hasn't been fulfilling its duties and we are trying to get it back on track and function in accordance with the governing documents. I am carefully reading through each document and trying to get an understanding of what each article means and have a stupid question…

From our bylaws: "Any notice of meetings may be waived by a member by submitting a signed waiver either before or after the meeting, or by attendance at the meeting and such waiver being duly noted in the annual minutes."

What exactly does that mean?

It's not well-worded but essentially it allows the HOA to hold a meeting without proper notice to all owners. If you have a lot of absentee or part-time owner/residents, mailing notices to people who are out of state is a waste of effort and money. This clause appears to be a means for allowing the association to sidestep the notice requirement for those owners who agree that they need no notice.

I am not too sure what the intent is with the clause "or by attendance at the meeting and such waiver being duly noted in the annual minutes." This may mean that the owner can waive future notices by attending a meeting and orally stating that he is waiving his right to notice. This would be an alternative to him signing a form and his oral waiver would be noted in the minutes. The phrase "annual minutes" implies that this waiver applies only to the annual members' meeting and not to the board meetings.
RobertS17 (Florida)
Posts: 52
Posted:
Thank you for the replies. We only have 13 members at the present time in our Association so giving notice isn't that big of a deal. I just get confused sometimes by the wordage in some of the documents and I'm making an effort to understand as much as I can about them.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Robert

I admire you for asking versus trying for some self serving answer as many posters on here do try for.

I hope we helped you.

Thanks

PeterD3 (Florida)
Posts: 708
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Posted By RobertS17 on 10/05/2012 5:27 PM
Thank you for the replies. We only have 13 members at the present time in our Association so giving notice isn't that big of a deal. I just get confused sometimes by the wordage in some of the documents and I'm making an effort to understand as much as I can about them.

After reading and understanding your docs. be sure to puruse the state statutes, Chapter 720, for HOAs.

In many cases these [statutes] will supercede your docs. as in this case.
RobertS17 (Florida)
Posts: 52
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Posted By JohnC46 on 10/05/2012 5:33 PM
Robert

I admire you for asking versus trying for some self serving answer as many posters on here do try for.

I hope we helped you.

Thanks


Thank you, John and yes this forum is extremely helpful. I think it's much better to ask for a correct interpretation (whatever the issue may be) rather than look stupid later among my neighbors for not understanding.
RobertS17 (Florida)
Posts: 52
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Posted By PeterD3 on 10/05/2012 6:12 PM
Posted By RobertS17 on 10/05/2012 5:27 PM
Thank you for the replies. We only have 13 members at the present time in our Association so giving notice isn't that big of a deal. I just get confused sometimes by the wordage in some of the documents and I'm making an effort to understand as much as I can about them.


After reading and understanding your docs. be sure to puruse the state statutes, Chapter 720, for HOAs.

In many cases these [statutes] will supercede your docs. as in this case.

Thanks, Peter. I'll add it to my list.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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The problem is some may not be bright/smart enough to understand the proper definition and they will still think you are stupid when you do understand/explain it.......LOL

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Robert

When you say only 13 members at present, might we assume the declarant is still in control?

If so, the declarant can pretty well decide to do whatever they want to do.

EllieD (Vermont)
Posts: 446
Posted:
Larry, Not per any Florida Statutes – but I have seen “Waiver by Attendance” written:

Attendance by a person at a meeting shall also constitute a waiver of notice of that meeting, except when the person objects at the beginning of the meeting to the transaction of any business due to the inadequacy or illegality of the notice.

And RE: such waiver being duly noted in the annual minutes, written:

The transactions of any meeting of Members, either annual or special, however called and noticed, shall be as valid as though had at a meeting duly held after regular call and notice, if a quorum be present either in person or by proxy, and if, either before or after the meeting, each of the Members entitled to vote and not present in person or by proxy, signs a written waiver of notice, or a consent of the holding of such meeting, or an approval of the minutes thereof . . . . All such waivers, consents, or approvals shall be filed with the Association records or made a part of the minutes of the meeting.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Ellie

Getting to cold to skinny dip in the Northeast Kingdom...you need to come south for the winter.....LOL
RobertS17 (Florida)
Posts: 52
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Posted By JohnC46 on 10/05/2012 6:31 PM
Robert

When you say only 13 members at present, might we assume the declarant is still in control?

If so, the declarant can pretty well decide to do whatever they want to do.


No. We have a 17 property association with 13 members due to 3 of them owning more than one property. It consists of 10 single-family homes and 7 vacant lots which can be used for pasture.

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