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KP1 (Colorado)
Posts: 73
Posted:
Hello,
Our issue is this. A single family dwelling neighbor planted 4 trees on the outside of his fenced yard. This land, apart from being a city easement, belongs to our HOA. These trees were planted over a year ago without the HOA permission. What can be done about it at this late date and who is responsible for these trees or any damage they might cause to property or person?
I am not a current board member but have been in the past. I discussed this issue with the President and said I would try to get information on ways we might proceed.
I do believe the neighbor made such a request and was denied by the board. So it seems he proceeded anyways.
I just noticed this over the weekend and am concerned that since we did not take any action immediately we (the HOA)may have blundered.

Thanks for any help
MikeS1
Posts: 521
Posted:
I don't see why it's too late to say something or do something. We have a lot of homeowners that plant trees right smack dab on the property line (which is a little probamatic later on) and folks that plant trees over the utility easements which run in the back of the homes (Cable, gas, and electric). They plant these trees too close to their homes as well. Later on, if it's on Common Area, you'll be incurring the additional expenses of trimming the tree away fromt he house all the time, and in addition, you may run the risk of the tree or it's limbs that may damage the home. Of course, they never call Ms. Utility when then plant as well. You should adopt a tree plan, monitor the plan with an aborist. If the trees are planted over a city easement or utilities, you might want to remove them and/or talk to the city.
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
The HOA may own the land, but, if there is an easement, the HOA may, or may not, have control over the use of the land. First, I would check where deeds are recorded to see what uses/rights are granted by the easement.
KP1 (Colorado)
Posts: 73
Posted:
I do know that the city is aware of the planting and as far as they are concerned it is improper for this man to have planted on the easment.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
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Posted By KP1 on 10/01/2012 12:01 PM
I do know that the city is aware of the planting and as far as they are concerned it is improper for this man to have planted on the easment.

Then if the city doesn't do anything, the HOA can take the person to court to remove them or remove them and sue the person to recover their costs.

Or he posted tongue in cheek, you can go out one dark night and cut a grove around each tree to kill it.

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JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Generally on an easement the controlling authority (city, utility, etc.) will never grant permission to plant nor build on the easement but also neither will they stop someone for doing so and rarely (if ever) will they prosecute if someone does so.

They usually just say that if they need accesss to the easement area that they can and will remove anything blocking their access and they are not responsible for replacing such.

My question to the OP is what would be the difference if the trees had been planted on the adjoining property?

Thanks
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
As a gemeral rule, the owner of the real estate or anyone who has use of the easement may maintain the easement or remove any impediments to the use of the easement.

Are there any buried utilities in the easement or wires above the trees? Tree roots may cause problems with buried cables or pipes and branches will grow into overhead wires.

If the user(s) of the easement is not concerned and the trees are not likely to cause a problem in the future then there is little point in worrying about them.
KP1 (Colorado)
Posts: 73
Posted:
The HOA is concerned about tree maintenance and who would be responsible if tree(s) fall and damage his or others property. Another aspect I had not considered but was mentioned to me an atty. associate I work with, is adverse possession. He was involved in a case where one person claimed he owned the land he had planted on because so many years passed and rightul owner never complained or asked him to stop.
I believe the best course is to simply ask him to remove them. Second best - inform him that the trees and property belong to us and he has no rights to them. But that makes us responsible for their care, maintenance and removal if city requested it.
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
roundup usually works. may take a couple applications.

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LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
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Posted By KP1 on 10/01/2012 7:18 PM
Another aspect I had not considered but was mentioned to me an atty. associate I work with, is adverse possession. He was involved in a case where one person claimed he owned the land he had planted on because so many years passed and rightul owner never complained or asked him to stop.

Aside from the easement, what else does this property consist of? If the neighbor was to acquire title through adverse possession, what could he do with this property? The easement does not go away, so unless there is more property than what may be an alley there would be little incentive for him to take that route.

My understanding is that to acquire title by adverse possession that there must be continued and open occupancy or use of the land. Planting some trees once would not likely qualify. Planting and harvesting crops year after year would.

If this property consists of nothing more than the easement, let the neighbor take possession. Your problem will be solved.
KP1 (Colorado)
Posts: 73
Posted:
It's prime open space property and does have significant value. The original plat had it slated for more condos.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
KP, its really really simple, have the HOA attorney send the homeowner a letter stating he planted on HOA property and he has X number of days to remove them or the HOA will and seek reimbursement of all costs associated with their removal.

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MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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I agree with GlenL's answer. However, since it's on the city's easement, a call to them should be included. The city can levy a fine against the person for putting the trees on the easement. They may also remove the trees if there is an issue with public access or utilities. Let the city be aware first to take action and then follow Glen's advice after those results.

Former HOA President
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
KP,

Other than not getting permission, is this really a major issue?

One option is to send a letter specifying that he and all future home owners are responsible for the upkeep and any liability associated with the trees Additionally it should be asked if he also failed to get permission from the city to plant the trees as this is a city easement and if the city requires that they be removed that he, or a future home owner, will be responsible for any costs associated with the removal that may be charged to the Association (as it is common area).

OR he may remove them.

DaveD3 (Michigan)
Posts: 796
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By KP1 on 10/01/2012 7:18 PM
The HOA is concerned about tree maintenance and who would be responsible if tree(s) fall and damage his or others property. Another aspect I had not considered but was mentioned to me an atty. associate I work with, is adverse possession. He was involved in a case where one person claimed he owned the land he had planted on because so many years passed and rightul owner never complained or asked him to stop.
I believe the best course is to simply ask him to remove them. Second best - inform him that the trees and property belong to us and he has no rights to them. But that makes us responsible for their care, maintenance and removal if city requested it.

How big are these trees?? So big that they're already a threat to common elements?

I agree with Larry. As it stands, the guy donated some trees to the HOA. They're not on his property, so he has no control over what happens to them. If they're fine for the foreseeable future, leave them. If they're really an issue, ask him to remove them.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
KP

How far off the property line are these trees planted?

Thanks
KP1 (Colorado)
Posts: 73
Posted:
The neighbor in question requested permission from our HOA to plant the trees several feet from his fence but on the HOA side and the HOA said no, he should plant them in his own yard on his side of the fence. He did it anyways. They are 4 small (4 t.) spruce trees now. The HOA spends a lot of $ on tree mitigations as we have lots of them and lots of snow as well. As a matter of fact one large tree fell into his yard a few years ago and we paid for then fence repair. To me the biggest factor will be that the city may ask for them to be removed at anytime, now or years from now and as it stands now we would be repsonsible. Better to solve this now while trees are easier and lest costly to remove.
KP1 (Colorado)
Posts: 73
Posted:
The neighbor in question requested permission from our HOA to plant the trees several feet from his fence but on the HOA side and the HOA said no, he should plant them in his own yard on his side of the fence. He did it anyways. They are 4 small (4 t.) spruce trees now. The HOA spends a lot of $ on tree mitigations as we have lots of them and lots of snow as well. As a matter of fact one large tree fell into his yard a few years ago and we paid for then fence repair. To me the biggest factor will be that the city may ask for them to be removed at anytime, now or years from now and as it stands now we would be repsonsible. Better to solve this now while trees are easier and lest costly to remove.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
If you all are so sure (be sure, very sure) the trees are on your property then send him a letter informing him they are on your property and ask for him to remove them.

Even if a easement, I believe most easements are still part of ones property. An easement is simply allowing the easement holder the right of way to it.

Do not threaten. Make nice. See if he does such. If not then escalate it.

I have to add. That 4, four foot tall spruce trees and you were talking about property damage, etc. Give me a break. For some reason I think this is more personal with you and the tree planter, but I could be wrong.

BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
Year ago, a neighbor had planted trees on my property. This had nothing to do with an HOA. I did not know the trees were on my property until I had my property surveyed. That's when I found out. I discussed this with my lawyer and he told me what to do.

I sent a letter (certified, return receipt) to my neighbor informing him that the trees were on my property, and therefore were my trees. However, I would give my neighbor 30 days to remove the trees without penalty. After that time, if he attempted to remove my trees I would sue him for destruction of my property.

He promptly removed the trees.
KP1 (Colorado)
Posts: 73
Posted:
I actually have never met them. No, 4 foot trees are not likely to cause damage now. However, when they are big trees and we get big snows, that's very different. We had a lot of that during the past winter. True, I and others may not be here then but the problem for the HOA will always remain.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
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Is this really worth a huge battle and legal fees? It's four small trees to block the view of a fence. Unless it changes the "complexion" of the neighborhood, there should be other fish to fry. Laws should determine who is responsible for a fallen tree. In NC, I think where the tree falls, the person owning the land holding the tree cleans it up and vice versa. There's no gross negligence.

I bet there are easement violations all over many neighborhoods if you look and if you don't like your neighbors.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
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However, when they are big trees and we get big snows, that's very different. We had a lot of that during the past winter. True, I and others may not be here then but the problem for the HOA will always remain.
And maybe a meteor will knock them down or perhaps a low flying UFO. Quit whining about maybes, either remove the trees, have the HOA attorney send a letter or live with them but quit playing the what if game and ask the Board put on their big boy and girl pants and make a decision.

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