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RalphR1 (Colorado)
Posts: 10
Posted:
Our Foundation by-laws do allow for voting "by mail or electronic means". However, since I have been in this HOA for just the past three years, there has never been an option to vote electronically. Voting has been done by sending in a mail-in paper ballot. I think having an electronic means to vote as an option could increase participation in the voting process. I know there has been discussion on this before many years ago, but have any HOA's been successful in using email ballots, etc. recently to increase voter participation?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
When my Association started publishing that proxies could be sent by e-mail, we did receive a few (2-3) over e-mail.

I have never tried online voting for Associations. I suspect that it could be done providing specific cautions were taken to minimize potential fraud.

Would this be in addition to or in place of casting votes at an annual meeting?
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
Be sure any applicable state laws allow for electronic voting. Some states have updated their laws to allow for this, but there still may be others that do not allow for electronic voting. No matter what your bylaws say, if state law prohibits voting electronically (or does not allow that option) you might not be able to do it legally.
MikeS1
Posts: 521
Posted:
Tim - Some of the very large HOAs in Northern Virginia have gone this way. There are software companies and specialized HOA webvendors that have this module built in. I did not even know it, but this feature is included in package that we have with our web vendor. Won't say who because of the rules. I know that our attorney and pm are on board with electronic voting, but we'd just never tried it.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Mike,

Your post prompted me to check for this option with my web hosting service provider. They appear to also have that option but you have to go through a few steps to gain access to it (which I've started).

Thanks for the suggestion.

Tim
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
It can get tricky. SC law says:

SECTION 33-36-440. Voting.

Each member is entitled to one vote on each matter submitted to a vote at a membership meeting. Voting must be in person, unless the bylaws provide specifically for voting by proxy and the conditions under which proxy voting may be exercised.

Then under proxy voting it says electronic transmission of the proxy is allowed if the proxy can be validated.

I think what it means is one can FAX a proxy but that to me is is not "true electronic voting".

RalphR1 (Colorado)
Posts: 10
Posted:
Since the By-Laws mention mail-in ballots and electronic voting in the same section, I would think that both methods would be used in the same election/vote. This would also include special votes that are taken for capital improvement projects, not just at the annual budget vote.
RalphR1 (Colorado)
Posts: 10
Posted:
Not sure what our state law says about it, but the (State) Common Interest Ownership Act does not mention anything about voting electronically in HOA elections.
MikeS1
Posts: 521
Posted:
I'm moving in this direction as well and have asked the Board to review this for implementation next spring. We have a little over 210 registered owners and for years, I've been trying to get quorum (right out of the gate) on first try, but we need 92 votes/proxies out of 368 homes for Quorum for annual meeting and of course it drops on the second month... 3rd month etc (with lower quorum requirements). The board wants to reduce the quorum requirement for annual meeting and if this voting module helps us get quorum the first month, then we can probably get the quorum requirement reduced at the same meeting (hopefully). Now you have me wondering if we have the same vendor (in hopes of sharing information).
MikeS1
Posts: 521
Posted:
Sorry - Last note was directed to Tim.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Mike,

My only concern for VA voting by mail and/or electronically over the internet is VA § 13.1-852. Voting for directors which says [emphasis added]:

A. Unless otherwise provided in the articles of incorporation, directors are elected by a plurality of the votes cast by the members entitled to vote in the election at a meeting at which a quorum is present.

However, VA § 13.1-847.1 and VA § 55-515.3 specify that voting may be done "by use of any technological means providing sufficient security, reliability, identification, and verifiability."

I can certainly see the "voting" module being used as a directed proxy without the need to amend governing documents. I'm just not sure how or if the "meeting" portion about electing directors would be satisfied by using internet voting (vs. internet proxies).

Tim
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By RalphR1 on 09/27/2012 11:26 AM
Not sure what our state law says about it, but the (State) Common Interest Ownership Act does not mention anything about voting electronically in HOA elections.

But, is your HOA incorporated? What do your state laws governing corporations have to say on the issue?
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Tim

I think Bruce is on to something. If the rules in VA Common Ownership (whatever), in ones Covenants, in ones Bylaws are all silent on the issue, then does does it not revert/fall back to VA Corporation Rules?

I guess I am from the school of that if not prohibited, then it is allowed.

Hope this helps.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JohnC46 on 09/27/2012 4:36 PM

If the rules in VA Common Ownership (whatever), in ones Covenants, in ones Bylaws are all silent on the issue, then does does it not revert/fall back to VA Corporation Rules?

John,

Yes it does. However, the corporate laws need a little clarifying as well.

The issue would not be with casting a vote for a proposed amendment as both corporate and HOA law in VA allow for electronic voting.

The issue would be using electronic voting to elect Directors. This is because if the governing documents are silent, VA Corporate law requires Directors to be elected at a meeting where a quorum is present.

Most VA Associations have language within their governing documents saying that election of directors are done at the annual meeting. Since polls can't open until all the nominations are in and, in my association and other older Associations in VA nominations are required to be allowed from the floor, I don't see internet voting for Directors being practical until the governing documents are reviewed and likely re-written.

However, setting up a directed proxy on the website wouldn't require amending the governing documents as per VA § 13.1-847 a proxy appointment may be done electronically.

I guess for VA the advice would be it depends on the governing documents.
MikeS1
Posts: 521
Posted:
Tim, did you see this as well? http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+55-79.71C1

Note that after doing more reasearch on this, I find more and more VA HOAs that have moved in this direction. Especially some of the older (mega)larger HOAs like in Reston) have gone to electronic voting out of necessity in terms of cost, convenience, and logistics.
http://southriding.net/news/view/Online-Voting-ends-Wednesday
http://www.reston.org/LinkClick.aspx?qenc=ShZJAGgkmIrvXaoFfbjSGIyFy8T9XYGoDy6SiYyQ%2fj8%3d&fqenc=HzT9ACzZbNs%3d
http://reston.patch.com/blog_posts/coming-soon-rca-online-voting
http://hamptonparkonline.com/hoa-annual-meeting-election-electronic-voting

FYI - Also see where some Northern Virgina HOAs have adopted administrative resolutions for voting guidelines in order to formally address this issue. "WHEREAS, Article 4, Section 4.1 of the Bylaws states that the Board of Directors may “Exercise all the powers of the Association, except such as are, by the laws of Virginia, the Articles of Incorporation, the Declaration or these Bylaws, conferred upon or reserved to the Members;” and WHEREAS, the Board deems it necessary to develop and formalize voting procedures for use at annual meetings and special meetings to establish a consistent, accurate, and impartial voting policy. WHEREAS, it is the intent of the Board of Directors to institute such rules and procedures; NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT the following voting policy, procedures, and guidelines be adopted:...."

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Mike,

I did see and referenced that section of the statute in my earlier posts. That section defers to the Board concerning electronic voting. However, the Board must still comply with the governing documents.

Of the links you provided only one had governing documents available. In the Bylaws of that association, similar to my Association, it also required election of Directors to be held at the annual meeting and required that the meeting have a quorum of x% in person or by proxy.

However, there Bylaws contain the following sections that allow electronic voting to work:

1) Ballots may be sent by mail at the discretion of the Board
2) If Ballots are sent by mail, all properly completed ballots presented will count toward the proxy requirement.

By doing this, they allow for electronic voting while also allowing the ballots (vs. proxies) to count toward satisfying the quorum requirement at the meeting. Hence the election is held at a meeting where a quorum is present which complies with the governing documents election requirement.

I also noted that those bylaws are silent on nominations from the floor. Therefore, it's not a requirement for that Association. My Association has language that requires nominations from the floor and, honestly, there have been times we haven't had enough candidates except through floor nominations.

It could be that since the larger Associations have a larger pool of potential volunteers vs. smaller associations.

I would like to try and implement electronic voting. I just need to amend the governing documents first. Your links provided some of the wording I would need. Thank you,

Tim
MikeS1
Posts: 521
Posted:
Tim - I'd like to compare notes about the voting module. If I provide my email address, can we talk about this some more offline?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Yep.

E-mail me: [email protected]

Note: as the name implies, I only look at this e-mail when I'm at work.

Tim
JillS5 (Virginia)
Posts: 29
Posted:
Can anyone recommend a community website host that includes an electronic voting module?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Jill,

I think most of them have a module of some sort.

I didn't think our hosting service had one until I started to look for it.

Community123.com, the host of this site (click on the name in the upper left corner), likely has one.

I'm willing to share our service's name with you if you contact me via e-mail but I will not post the name here as it is in violation of the rules for the forum.
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JillS5 on 10/14/2012 8:33 AM
Can anyone recommend a community website host that includes an electronic voting module?

Google Forms (free)

http://www.google.com/google-d-s/forms/

Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzgaUOW6GIs
JillS5 (Virginia)
Posts: 29
Posted:
Tim and Steve - Thanks for the information! Tim, I will contact you at your work email for specifics. I saw it on another thread, I think.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Jill,

My e-mail is actually in this thread.

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