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PennyK (Florida)
Posts: 59
Posted:
What if you cannot get quorum, after 2 meetings?
We need 1/3 votes and did not get that amount, then had another meeting 30 days later with no quorum met.
Now what! This is a horrible cycle,this is just for one vacancy. Can we just
roll that person over. If the homeowners do not come after two mailouts
What am I to do?
PennyK (Florida)
Posts: 59
Posted:
Here is a copy of our By laws too?
Hope you can help
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PennyK (Florida)
Posts: 59
Posted:
Our vacancy by laws

I was reading other thread very similar and got mixed up as to
the statues verses our documents. Should we have a special meeting
and then the board nominate the vacancy?
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CarolF (Florida)
Posts: 435
Posted:
First, are you a condominium, which is covered by FL statute 718, or an association of individual homes governed under FL 720. The statutes governing elections are different.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Penny,

I expect that this is concerning elections. Based on that expectation, I refer you to FL 617.0806 which says [emphasis added]:

617.0806 Staggered terms for directors.—The articles of incorporation or bylaws may provide that directors be divided into classes. Each director shall hold office for the term to which he or she is elected or appointed and until his or her successor has been elected or appointed and qualified or until his or her earlier resignation, removal from office, or death.

Expecting your Association is incorporated as a nonprofit (most are) this statute would apply. Therefore, if you cannot achieve a quorum for any election, the individuals currently serving and previously elected would remain in office until they resign. If they resign, the Board may appoint someone to fill the vacancy.

I would think that after holding two meetings that the Board has done it's due diligence.
PennyK (Florida)
Posts: 59
Posted:
HOA homeoweners
PennyK (Florida)
Posts: 59
Posted:
Yes it is concerning one position. We have staggered terms for directors as you stated. And it does state that also
"until his or her successor has been elected." We just keep going through this each year for annual meetings/election, we even mailed out
proxies too and I collected some before meeting. I am trying to avoid this every year. Any suggestions? we can only
do mail outs according to our documents and cannot do emails voting.Someone suggested doing another mailout a card to remind everyone
right before meeting, but that just cost more money for our small community, we need 51 to reach quorum and got 30 all together. Last year
we where one vote short! We spent so much time and money last year doing that, creating another meeting paying for location because we do
not have a community center.

I see you used FL corporate non profit statues, instead is that okay? I thought we where only held by the 720 statues. I Thank You for the input.
and appreciate any other advice how to get more votes, we can amend the by laws but our Articles cannot be they require 2/3 votes to change the
quorum.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
My only suggestion to fix the issue is going to be harder than meeting your current quorum. That would be to change the quorum requirement. Depending on what is required to change the document, it could be more than your current quorum.

My association requires the following:

Election of Directors: 10% = quorum plurality of the vote to elect
Amend CC&Rs: 10% = quorum 51% of membership to adopt
Amend Bylaws: 10% = quorum 51% of Votes cast to adopt
Amend Articles of Incorporation: 10% = Quorum 51% of votes entitled to cast

Increase Assessments greater than 5%:

Quorum = 60% of membership But can be 1/2 that if quorum isn't met at first meeting and second meeting is held within 60 days of first meeting.

requires 2/3 of votes cast to adopt.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By PennyK on 09/25/2012 5:27 AM
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I see you used FL corporate non profit statues, instead is that okay? I thought we where only held by the 720 statues.

That is a common mistake made by many Boards.
If you are incorporated (and per FL 720.302 you must be), as a corporation you must also comply with FL Corporation laws.

720.302:

(5) Unless expressly stated to the contrary, corporations that operate residential homeowners’ associations in this state shall be governed by and subject to chapter 607, if the association was incorporated under that chapter, or to chapter 617, if the association was incorporated under that chapter, and this chapter.

Corporate laws typically address procedures. Therefore, if it's a procedural issue (like electing directors) be sure to check both 720 and 617.
PennyK (Florida)
Posts: 59
Posted:
Great!! to know thanks I will print that out regarding 617 for future notices and we are
incopororated as a non profit which I did not think that applies to chapter 617 and when
I looked it up online it clearly states the staggered terms which we have and what you said above.

Thanks For all you Help TimB4!
CarolF (Florida)
Posts: 435
Posted:
720.306 Meetings of members; voting and election procedures; amendments.—
(1) QUORUM; AMENDMENTS.—
(a) Unless a lower number is provided in the bylaws, the percentage of voting interests required to constitute a quorum at a meeting of the members shall be 30 percent of the total voting interests. Unless otherwise provided in this chapter or in the articles of incorporation or bylaws, decisions that require a vote of the members must be made by the concurrence of at least a majority of the voting interests present, in person or by proxy, at a meeting at which a quorum has been attained.

Did you make any attempt to collect proxies?
PennyK (Florida)
Posts: 59
Posted:
CAROLF
Yes I did even went door to door with whomever had them had 20 proxies and 10 people show up at meeting
after that the board decided to just wait till next meeting. This has happened before like I said
and we have 2 meetings and still not enough people. Did the mail out,posted signs etc....
CarolF (Florida)
Posts: 435
Posted:
Tim & Penny - here is an explanation of how 617 went on to become 720.

Q. We are an older association that was formed under FS 617. We would like to change to a homeowner association. What does it take to switch from FS 617 to FS 720, the homeowner statute?
.
A. Forgive me but I do not remember the date, but around 2000 and 2001 the state took FS 617 and split it at FS 617.300 and made FS 720, the HOA Act. If you read FS 720 you will find that it starts at FS 720.300. If you were formed under FS 617, you automatically fall under FS 720 as a homeowner association. I must point out that you still fall under FS 617 (and in a very limited situation maybe FS 607). FS 617 is the statute that the business activities must comply. It is called the Not-For-Profit statute. That does not mean "Non-Profit." Each year the state updates and reprints the statutes. You can download the statute on the state Web page: www.leg.state.fl.us.

PennyK (Florida)
Posts: 59
Posted:
Okay what does that mean? If you do not get quorum and not enough people
are interested to even mail in the proxies. What do we as the Board do??
the By Laws do not got to that extent they only assume you will get quorum
and that is it!

There was one vacancy, that we cannot vote on due to no quorum, we conducted
business for the budget because this was an annual meeting plus budget meeting after
we adjourned. so the officer stays on till next annual meeting and hopefully we can get one then!
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By PennyK on 09/25/2012 9:41 AM
If you do not get quorum and not enough people are interested to even mail in the proxies. What do we as the Board do??

If, at an annual meeting, you cannot obtain a quorum you may still do the following:

Provide reports
have an open forum and allow people to have their say
discuss issues

You may not:

Approve minutes
vote on any proposal
vote for directors
make any decision that is needed to be made by the general membership

The result of having no quorum is:

Any Director ending their term stays on the board unless they resign
If the Director resigns, the board may then appoint someone to fill that vacancy (typically this would be from the people who had submitted their names as candidates).

The only thing that may be a real issue that you might not be able to work around is if the budget must be approved by the membership at a meeting where a quorum is present or if membership approval is needed to raise assessments.
PennyK (Florida)
Posts: 59
Posted:
Okay,

We also had our budget meeting following the Annual Meeting well we
adjourned it. The budget meeting all is need is the board of directors
present and that we had quorum for and approved the budget and the board

we also approved the minute at the budget meeting too.The manager said it was okay?

We did not vote on issues just discussed issues and let the members have an open forum
during the annual meeting part. Does that make sense?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Sounds like you did everything just right.

Note: there still needs to be minutes of the annual meeting even if there was no quorum. This protects the Association by showing that there was no quorum and that no business was acted on by the membership.

PennyK (Florida)
Posts: 59
Posted:
Thanks TimB4

We did take minutes and it will be noted that no business was acted on by
the membership during the Annual Meeting.

Thanks for all your help
CarolF (Florida)
Posts: 435
Posted:
Penny - the quorum that is required is 30%. Go out and knock on doors to get the proxies.
PennyK (Florida)
Posts: 59
Posted:
CarolF

I did and I went to as many as I knew and it was 20 homes some said they did not
get the mail one so I had copies, most are renters so they cannot give it to me, and only 3 mailed them in.
I do not have enough time with 3 kids to go door to door to hundreds of home. I do need to be more
proactive next year so this does not happen, but this has happen for the last meeting we where short by
1 proxy!! and it was the second meeting. I even emailed 30 homeowners which I have emails to and requested
their proxies. I am not lazy, just disappointed, they are apathic to the neighborhood! Next year I will
have to get a team of neighbors to help me! thanks
PennyK (Florida)
Posts: 59
Posted:
OH, other years we have at least 20-30 people show up so it helps and with
the proxies collect we get our quorum! I do not know what happened this year, maybe
homeowners do not care, and we have a high rental rate in our HOA so that does not help!!
These last 3 annual meetings have been a struggle! that is why I have been asking
around for advice

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