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RonM4 (Maryland)
Posts: 26
Posted:
This pertains to a Maryland HOA: For more than 5 years I have been asking, verbally, for our HOA to implement a maintenance program that is proactive rather than reactive for the common n area that includes a forest conservation area. It seems that whenever a big storm comes through I end up with several trees from the common area in my yard. Trees have struck my fence at least six times, my shed once a bird bath and a wooden bench. All replaced/repaired at my cost I do realize that with live trees this is considered an act of nature however, in the last year I have written to the HOA asking them to once again maintain this area as there are numerous dead trees that dot the landscape. I have sent them pictures showing dead trees that are within 20 feet of my property line yet I get the following response from the HOA President:
“The Board has evaluated the area and based on a "professional" opinion have taken action in accordance with our by-laws for the community. If you want to take further action in removing trees and/or cleaning out the area” at your own expense, the Board will not stop you. If in the future, the are/trees get worse or the condition changes drastically; please advise us again and we will reevaluate.
thanks.”

What recourse do I have? If one of their dead trees fall on my property and I liable for the damage or is the HOA? I feel it is not my responsibility to remove trees or clean out the area but rather the HOA. Isn’t that what my HOA fees are for?

PaulT6 (California)
Posts: 409
Posted:
Ron,

You said "the Board will not stop you". In my opinion the Board may be on shaky ground. In our HOA we have a full time Forester and about 5 or 6 full time employees working for him. Fire Safety and forest health are their primary concerns. If your Board won't step up to the plate to properly maintain the common area you might consider reviewing your local community, county, or State requirements for proper land use maintenance. In our case all of these supersede our HOA rules.

Paul T
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Quote:
Isn’t that what my HOA fees are for?


Check your annual budget. Is there a line item to pay for dead tree removal?
JeanneK3 (Maryland)
Posts: 562
Posted:
Ron:
I would ask for a copy of the arborist's report that said the trees were OK. You are reporting trees that are a safety hazard and if they are saying the trees are not a safety hazard then they need to prove it. Your county's environmental department might be able to help you. Also if you are lucky enough to live in Montgomery, Prince Georges or Harford County, they have dispute resolution boards which can help you.
Jeanne

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Ron,

Did you get an a copy of the report with the professional opinion?
If not, ask for a copy.

You may want to bring in your own arborist to evaluate the trees in question (most will do this for free).
Then if your report differs from the HOA report, point this out and see what the Board says.

If the Association has been notified that a tree is dead and does nothing then, providing you have proof of the notification, if that tree falls in a storm the Association is responsible. However, you may need to have your insurance fight with their insurance.

I expect that your Association has limited funds for tree trimming (just like mine does). We actually had an arborist give a detailed report for each and every tree on the property. That report identified over $50,000 worth of tree work that was needed. We asked that the arborist prioritize the report by which trees needed attention first. The Board then used (well still using) this report and evaluated the priority based on potential liability (i.e. was it going to cause harm to person or property if the tree came down in a storm).

Based on these priorities, we spent over $8,000 on tree trimming/removal. In next years budget we are increasing that line item to 10K. However, since tall mature trees can cost $2000 each, we can only afford to do 4 or 5 a year (more if they are smaller). This isn't fast enough for some residents. To them we ask if they would support a special assessment of $500 so the Association could address the entire report all at once. Surprise, everyone said no. Like your Association, we allow individual members to do the work at their expense (and liability) if they can not wait for funds to be made available. Some have taken advantage of that. Some have not.

I went through that long story because I agree it is possible that the Association could be using delay tactics due to finances. In case they are, I urge you to get a certified arborist to evaluate the trees in question. Then notify the board of those findings (via certified mail) and ask that they address the high priority items (which you will point out). This may be enough to get things moving.

As for cleaning out the underbrush, I think your on your own for that. We have wooded areas that are left natural and they aren't a forest conservation area. I would think that a conservation area would also be left natural with the option of cleaning out the underbrush left to the individual residents.

Hope this helps,

Tim
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
If the Association has been notified that a tree is dead and does nothing then, providing you have proof of the notification, if that tree falls in a storm the Association is responsible. However, you may need to have your insurance fight with their insurance.


ABSOLUTELY CORRECT

Take CLEAR photographs of any dead or visibly 'sick' or leaning trees. Have them printed and have 2 witnesses verify the date of the prints (notarized if possible) ~ family members, friends, etc ~ the point is that when notarized it becomes a sworn statement.

Send copies of the prints to the REGISTERED AGENT of your association via certified mail, return receipt requested. (find the registered agent at your state's Secretary of State website)

The trees in question are then (virtually indisputably) the responsibility of the HOA.

from the MN bar:

http://www2.mnbar.org/benchandbar/2002/mar02/tree.htm

Negligence: Hazard Trees and Limbs
The trend across the country is to hold tree owners legally responsible for damage caused by unsound or "hazard trees."11 A hazard tree is a tree with a defect plus a target, such as a sidewalk, a car, or a house in the path of an unstable or decaying tree.

Minnesota cases involving negligence in tree law tend to fall into two categories: damage caused by trees or damage done to trees. Foreseeability is the common thread that runs through both types of claims. In both instances, courts will look at what should have been obvious to the tree owner about the tree's condition.
Damage Your Client's Tree Causes. If a neighbor's tree is unsound and threatens your client's property, the neighbor may be liable for any damage that occurs. The test is whether the tree owner knew or should have known that damage was likely. A tree owner is not expected to be a tree expert, but she is expected to recognize obvious symptoms of a problem, such as the unseasonal lack of leaves, a dead limb, visible decay, or a tree leaning dangerously to one side. If the potential for damage is foreseeable and if the tree owner fails to take corrective action, the courts will likely hold the owner legally responsible for damage caused to people or property.

In an unpublished opinion, the Minnesota Court of Appeals found that a landowner was not liable in a personal injury case where the landowner's tree did not pose an obvious danger.12 In that case, a tree trimmer was injured when a decaying branch broke. Liability was not imposed, because the branch appeared to be sturdy and showed no signs of decay. In another case, a landowner was found to owe no duty to protect a pedestrian from a low-hanging branch that was clearly visible.13
What's Entropy Got to Do With It? A Georgia case that reaches the same conclusion about foreseeable danger is worth quoting. Taking judicial notice of the Second Law of Thermodynamics, the court said,
This law tells us that all in the universe, trees, human beings, plants, animals, buildings, and all else are headed downward from complexity to simplicity toward decay, deterioration, decadence, and death. Everything heads towards decay; for example, a tree decaying, which is an increase of entropy, or uselessness. We are specifically limiting liability to patent, visible decay, and not the normal, usual, latent, micro-nonvisible, accumulative decay. In other words, there is no duty to consistently and constantly check all pine trees for non-visible rot, as the manifestation of decay must be visible, apparent, and patent so that one could be aware that high winds might combine with visible rot and cause damage.14
Act of God. A frequently heard excuse is that damage caused by a fallen tree was an act of God. Not every tree that falls over in a strong wind and causes damage is the result of an act of God.17 To qualify as an act of God in negligence cases, all of the following elements are needed: 1) the accident must have happened from a force of nature that was both unexpected and unforeseeable; 2) that force must have been the sole cause of the accident; and 3) the accident could not have been prevented by using reasonable care.18 A bolt of lightning is an act of God, if it is the sole cause of an injury. However, a person is liable if his own prior negligence combined with the act of God to cause the injury.

Notes
1 Holmberg v. Bergin, 172 N.W.2d 739 (Minn. 1969).
2 Minn. Stat.¤561.01
3 Holmberg v. Bergin, supra.
4 Michalson v. Nutting, 275 Mass. 232, 175 N.E. 490 (1931)
5 Richmond v. General Engineering Enterprises Co., 454 So. 2d 16 (Fla App D3, 1984).
6 Holmberg v. Bergin, 172 N.W.2d at 744.
7 Booska v. Patel, 24 Cal. App. 4th 1787, 30 Cal. Rptr. 2d 241 (1994).
8 Michalson v. Nutting, supra, 175 N.E. at 490.
9Smith v. Holt, 174 Va. 213, 5 S.E.2d 492 (1939)
10 See, e.g., Skinner v. Wilder, 38 Vt. 115 (1865).
11 "Hazard tree" is a term of art used by arborists and tree scientists.
12 Allison v. Olson and Mauer, filed December 12, 2000, C0-00-942 (unpublished). http://www.lawlibrary.state.mn.us/archive/ctapun/0012/942.htm
13 Sperr by Sperr v. Ramsey County, 429 N.W.2d 317 (Minn. App. 1988).
14 Cornett v. Agee, 143 Ga. App. 55, 237 S.E.2nd 522, 524 (1977).
15 Rector v. McCrossan, 235 N.W.2d 609 (1975)
16 Guide for Plant Appraisal, 8th Ed. 1992.
17 Swanson v. LaFontaine, 238 Minn. 460, 57 N.W.2d 262 (1953)
18 VandenBroucke v. Lyon County, 301 Minn. 300, 222 N.W.2d 792 (1974)

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Ron,

Since your nearby, I'll recommend this article from an HOA attorney's newsletter for the DC/MD/VA area:

If a Tree Falls and My Neighbor Hears It…Who Pays?

In that article it discusses a 2007 opinion of The Virginia Supreme Court which preserved the affected owner’s right of self help, but ruled that his or her rights against the tree’s owner should no longer depend on whether the invading tree or shrub was found to be “noxious.” Instead, the affected owner need only prove that the encroaching tree has already caused actual damage or that actual damage is imminent.

Click this link for the court opinion
and
Click this link for a Washington Post article on the opinion.

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Tim

I think the important point of part of what you posted is:

Please note, however, that the exception to
the general rule is that the owner of the
property where the tree originated will be
responsible for damage to a neighbor’s
property know that the tree presented a danger to
adjoining properties. For example, if a tree
was diseased and had been weakened by
previous storms, it may be fair to say that
the owner had reason to believe that the tree
would fall and, judging by its size, damage a
neighbor’s property. Otherwise, the
accident is considered an “Act of God” and
the affected owner is therefore responsible
for the damage to his or her property.


What we have here is OP saying the trees were dead and the association saying the trees are healthy.

PaulT6 (California)
Posts: 409
Posted:
Looks like another case of a Board doing what they want to, or not doing what they should do. Short of legal action, your only hope, as mentioned earlier, is to review your local community, county or State land use restrictions and/or requirements.

Paul T
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
to repeat:

Take CLEAR photographs of any dead or visibly 'sick' or leaning trees. Have them printed and have 2 witnesses verify the date of the prints (notarized if possible) ~ family members, friends, etc ~ the point is that when notarized it becomes a sworn statement.

Send copies of the prints to the REGISTERED AGENT of your association via certified mail, return receipt requested. (find the registered agent at your state's Secretary of State website)

The trees in question are then (virtually indisputably) the responsibility of the HOA.


TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JohnC46 on 09/24/2012 5:00 PM

What we have here is OP saying the trees were dead and the association saying the trees are healthy.

Yep, that's why my initial post suggest the OP gets his own report from a certified arborist.

It could also be that a branch is dead but the tree is overall healthy. Hence, both sides being correct but not having a meeting of the minds.
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
if the owner of the tree (in this case the hoa) has or SHOULD HAVE reasonable cause to believe the tree is damaged or hazardous (notification by the potential victim) then:

they ware responsible

if, as co-owner of the trees (hoa member) their upkeep is too expensive either:
remove them (no can do - conservation area)
or
move somewhere more affordable

period ... end of case ... please, no more toric kaka
RonM4 (Maryland)
Posts: 26
Posted:
Thank you all for the great suggestions. I do think this has to do with lack of fund on the part of the HOA. They haven’t increased our fees in the past 3 years. In the annual meeting I have asked them to increase the fees, within the guidelines of the covenants, so that they can maintain the forest conservation areas. I was told by the HOA president that there was no need to raise the fee because if necessary they could just do a special assessment. I then informed them that they would need 2/3rds of the members to vote money out of their pocket book… he said that wasn’t the case… then the HOA lawyer read the covenants and informed the president that I was right.
I have previously sent a letter with pictures to the HOA Board, certified return receipt. I have also sent a letter to the HOA insurance carrier. I do like the idea of having a neighbors signing and dating the back of the pictures. As for the dispute on whether the trees are dead or alive, there are at least 8 trees where strong winds (these are pine trees) snapped off the tops and left the limbless trunk. I would.post pictures if I could.
What is my next course of action: I plan on meeting with the county forester to obtain his opinion of the dead trees and the tree debris left from contractors that the HOA hired. I will write a letter to the Maryland Attorney General, Landlord tenant dispute stating that the HOA is not following the covenants in maintain the common areas as they are required to do ( I have gone this route three time before with other issues and in each case it was resolved to my benefit) . I will make a request from a licensed arborist to come and give me his opinion. I will ask to review the report from the HOA “professional” (to be honest with you, I don’t think they have anything in writing regarding this but I Will find out).

I tried posting a couple of pictures but it wouldn't accept them
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By RonM4 on 09/25/2012 6:00 AM

What is my next course of action:

Ron,

Everything we are suggesting that you do is for two purposes:

a) hope this will convince the board to spend the money
b) document that the association has been informed

You can't force them to cut the tree down (especially if there is no funds to do so). However, if the Board doesn't see the liability and the tree falls damaging your property, you will have the documentation to force the Association to pay for the damage.

The larger concern is that you haven't had a raise in assessments in the past three years. This is an indication that the Association hasn't updated the reserve funds or operating funds to adjust for inflation and there could be financial issues in the future. There are two ways to address these financial issues:

1) Save a little each year to offset the expected issue
2) Use a Special Assessment to pay for the cost when needed.

Special assessments can be expensive (depending on the job). You may want to rally support and elect people to the board who are willing to address issues now rather then kick the can down the road and hope they have moved before a special assessment is needed.

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