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JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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Posted:
Interesting article:

How many times do we need to see this same plot before we figure out how the movie ends?

A homeowner in a neighborhood fails to live up to the civil agreement that governs the community, and then complains that the community’s governing body is picking on him or her. The community comes out looking like the bad guy just for trying to make sure everyone plays by the same rules.

We saw it play out last year on a national stage when Homes for Our Troops tried to bully the Knob Hill subdivision in Evans into allowing the group to build a home that didn’t meet the neighborhood’s guidelines.

Despite being falsely accused of disliking veterans – the home was for a disabled vet – the homeowners association stuck to its guns. HFOT was able to build the home elsewhere, but it’ll take a while for Knob Hill to recover from the slander.

More recently, there’s the tempest in a teapot in the Millshaven neighborhood in Martinez. Becky Rogers-Peck is being sued because an outbuilding on her property is painted colors that the HOA says aren’t compatible with the neighborhood.

Just as Homes for Our Troops tried to justify bending the rules in Knob Hill because they were trying to help a disabled veteran, Rogers-Peck argues in favor of the pink-and-purple structure because it’s a playhouse for her granddaughter.

“Why do they have the right to tell me what to do on the property that I pay for?” Rogers-Peck asks.

Why? For the same reason any homeowners association has the right to decide what meets their neighborhood’s standards. It’s right there in the contract governing the homeowners association in the first place, something Rogers-Peck assuredly knows as a former board member of the Millshaven HOA.

While homeowners associations often are criticized for being nit-picky, overbearing and managed by “busybodies,” the fact remains that the organizations represent a nearly pure form of representative democracy. Members pay an even share of the funding to operate the neighborhood “government.” (Just imagine how different it would be if everyone in the United States paid an equal share of taxes.) Those homeowners agree to rules governing the neighborhood (the equivalent of a constitution), and then elect a board to act on their behalf in enforcing those rules.

The aim is to safeguard the property values of everyone who lives in the neighborhood. The effects, especially in neighborhoods where an HOA board is alert and engaged, are a stark contrast to neighborhoods without such attentiveness or where protective covenants have lapsed: Many of the latter neighborhoods are a source for frequent, and often ineffective, complaints about unkempt yards and dilapidated buildings.

Those who decry a loss of “freedom” in a neighborhood with protective covenants are being absurd. It would be just as silly to complain that a car loan infringes on your freedom because it requires you to make payments. If you don’t want to make payments, then don’t borrow money to buy a car.

Likewise, if you aren’t prepared to follow the rules of the civil contract governing a neighborhood, then don’t buy a home in a neighborhood governed by such an agreement.

Just don’t be surprised if your neighbors aren’t as interested in preserving your community’s property values.

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
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Can I add an AMEN??? Oh and a Margharita for you John when we hit Mexico? I have this same issue when I hear people go to the media when their home is foreclosed on as well...Pay your fair share and keep your home...Pay up what you owe and foreclosure goes away...Simple is it not?

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PaulT6 (California)
Posts: 409
Posted:
John,

Well said!! In my position as Chairman of our Covenants Committee I used to receive a lot of emails and comments at Board meetings. Despite a few that said we were picking on them the vast majority said they bought into our HOA because of the rules and not in spite of them. Many critized us for not being aggressive enough. Interestingly, over the years, we had a number of Directors who had the attitude of "whatever it is, it is not a problem, unless it is next door to me". We had two Directors try to disban our Committee but they couldn't come up with the third vote. Sometimes, difficulties come from within.

Paul T
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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Posted:
There is an HOA neighborhood (200 single homes) built/sold from about 1996 to 2002 in Lexington SC. We were very interested in the development when were considering relocating to SC in 1999. We ended up relocating to Charleston SC area (120 miles away)in 2001. Same type new homes, bit more upscale town, 20% higher price homes.

In 2011 we relocated to Lexington SC. While we wanted new, we decided to look at the neighborhood we had looked at in 1999. The neighborhood had gone downhill rapidly. Some homes looked as good as new, many looked like crap. Overall the place looked bad.

I know it is easy to say well it was the economy. I agree, the economy was a goodly part of it. When we bought in Charleston in 2002, it was a new home in a growing HOA neighborhood. When we left the neighborhood (600 single homes) in 2011, it looked as good and overall better (yes a few exceptions but exceptions only) then when we bought in 2002. Keep in mind, both neighborhoods had been through the same tough economy.

What happened you ask? Well the main thing I see is the original neighborhood had a very weak HOA. They basically let owners do as they wished. Little to no control. Build what you want in your yard. Park where you want, even on the front lawn. Houses in serious need of power washing, painting. Over grown/weed lawns, etc. Dropped their management firm in 2008? and went self managed. Have not updated their web site since 2009. The list goes on and on.

Overall, I see it as a management (the BOD) issue more then an economy issue.

PaulT6 (California)
Posts: 409
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John,

Right, it is what you make it. We have lived in our present HOA full time for 21 years. Things were getting a little "loose" around 1991. We had an Environment Control Committee but their main focus was on structural related items and they really didn't want to deal with the behavior related problems. Our Covenants Committee was formed in 1995 to the distaste of some Directors. It was a long slow bloody process with lots of opposition but we finally pulled the grade and overall, our 6,400 properties look pretty darned good. I would give it 9 on a scale of 10. However, it takes constant work to keep it that way. It is amazing how creative people can be when trying to get around the rules.

Paul T
NancyG3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 342
Posted:
JohnC - I have been on both sides of this article. The Board in a neighborhood that fails to live up to the civil agreement that governs the community, and then complains that the homeowner is a trouble maker in the community. The homeowner comes out looking like the bad guy. I'm sure you have read my threads. There are a lot of good Boards, however, we happen to have one that does what they want without the consideration of our CC&Rs or the laws of the State, Federal or Town. This is a good article, where was it published?
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Nancy

Article was from the Columbia County GA, News-Times

I think there are also many lackadaisical BOD's who let things get out of hand and once that happens it is hard to tighten up. You will get many of the well you did nothing when so and so did what they did thus I can do it now.

I also think many BOD's back down when threatened with a law suit when many should say bring it on.

RobertC14 (Colorado)
Posts: 78
Posted:
the only problem i have with HOA's is they are in essence private defacto governments that in most cases are now required by the municipality in order to get approval to build the subdivision, but since they are private do not have to abide by the same restrictions that fed, state and municipal governments do with regard to things like amateur radio installation and other such things.

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PaulT6 (California)
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Robert,

In our area, to the best of my knowledge, all of our HOA's have to at least meet the Town's ordinances and zoning requirements. Our HOA has some rules that are more restrictive than the Town's similar rules. When I was on our Covenants Committee I received many comments from our Members. Almost all said they moved here because of the rules, not in spite of them. Many complained that we were not aggressive enough in enforcing the rules. Buying into a HOA is voluntary.

Paul T
LarryB13 (Arizona)
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Posted By JohnC46 on 09/19/2012 2:51 PM

Likewise, if you aren’t prepared to follow the rules of the civil contract governing a neighborhood, then don’t buy a home in a neighborhood governed by such an agreement.

Just don’t be surprised if your neighbors aren’t as interested in preserving your community’s property values.

I do not live in an HOA-controlled subdivision. When we purchased our current home we refused to look in any HOA's. I do not need a bunch of busy-bodies nitpicking about the color of the paint. The value of our home was determined by a licensed appraiser who used comps from the neighboring areas, some of which were in HOA's. I did not see any notations on the appraiser's report that my property was worth less because my next door neighbor has a derelict car in her backyard. In fact, I have seen no evidence of any kind that having an HOA increases property values.

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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Posted By RobertC14 on 09/23/2012 8:29 AM
the only problem i have with HOA's is they are in essence private defacto governments that in most cases are now required by the municipality in order to get approval to build the subdivision, but since they are private do not have to abide by the same restrictions that fed, state and municipal governments do with regard to things like amateur radio installation and other such things.

Not having to abide by the same restrictions/standards implies they might not be upto proper standards when they most certainly do have to meet and live upto proper restrictions/standards.

The problems arise when their restrtictions/standards are tougher as in not allowing/limiting things.

I was always taught that having higer standards then masses was not a bad thing......LOL

PaulT6 (California)
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Posted By LarryB13 on 09/23/2012 1:55 PM
Posted By JohnC46 on 09/19/2012 2:51 PM

Likewise, if you aren’t prepared to follow the rules of the civil contract governing a neighborhood, then don’t buy a home in a neighborhood governed by such an agreement.

Just don’t be surprised if your neighbors aren’t as interested in preserving your community’s property values.


I do not live in an HOA-controlled subdivision. When we purchased our current home we refused to look in any HOA's. I do not need a bunch of busy-bodies nitpicking about the color of the paint. The value of our home was determined by a licensed appraiser who used comps from the neighboring areas, some of which were in HOA's. I did not see any notations on the appraiser's report that my property was worth less because my next door neighbor has a derelict car in her backyard. In fact, I have seen no evidence of any kind that having an HOA increases property values.


Larry,

You are fortunate. In my area, within the same Town, our HOA is light years better from an appearance and property value standpoint, than other R-1 zoned neighborhoods. As mentioned, living in an HOA is voluntary, to each his own. :-)

I wonder what a prospective buyer might think about a derelict car in the backyard of the house next to the one he was considering to buy? Unless he had one to match it he probably wouldn't be positively impressed?

Paul T
RobertC14 (Colorado)
Posts: 78
Posted:
sorry it took so long to reply. have a lot going on.

the reason i say HOA's should be regarded as a government entity and not a private contract so far as federal pre emption laws is in many areas it is getting near impossible to find new housing not in an hoa (and in many areas hoa's are annexing older developments) and the local governments are requiring that all new subdivisions have an HOA.

i see nothing inherently wrong with HOA's per say but since they are indeed become defacto mini (quasi) governments then federal laws that apply to local governments such as PRB-1 requiring reasonable accommodation to amateur radio equipment should be extended to cover CCR's. there are other federal pre emption laws that as of now don't extend to CCR's because the federal government has yet to recognize that HOA's are becoming defacto governments by virtue of being a requirement by local governments for all new housing.

in many NJ communities it has become nearly impossible to find a NON HOA/CCR property. in denver area where my mom lives you are very hard pressed to find any new housing in non hoa neighborhoods and many of the older sub divisions are being gobbled up by HOA's.

i have really stopped trying to explain this concept (this thread is the 1st time in many years) to people because no matter how many different ways i attempt explain it no one can see 10 or 20 years down the road it seems like i can or understand what it is i am trying to explain about what i am seeing going on and have been seeing progressively over the last 20 years.

i will probably try to explain this concept again in a few more years down the road and see if attitudes on the subject have changed any.

i have noticed in this country we have a last minute attitude toward many things in spite of all the red flags and warnings put up by many people before we as citizens react to any threats to our sovereignty civil liberties or freedoms.

i will not voice any more on this subject in this thread.

thank you

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PaulT6 (California)
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Posted By RobertC14 on 09/26/2012 9:28 AM
sorry it took so long to reply. have a lot going on.

the reason i say HOA's should be regarded as a government entity and not a private contract so far as federal pre emption laws is in many areas it is getting near impossible to find new housing not in an hoa (and in many areas hoa's are annexing older developments) and the local governments are requiring that all new subdivisions have an HOA.

i see nothing inherently wrong with HOA's per say but since they are indeed become defacto mini (quasi) governments then federal laws that apply to local governments such as PRB-1 requiring reasonable accommodation to amateur radio equipment should be extended to cover CCR's. there are other federal pre emption laws that as of now don't extend to CCR's because the federal government has yet to recognize that HOA's are becoming defacto governments by virtue of being a requirement by local governments for all new housing.

in many NJ communities it has become nearly impossible to find a NON HOA/CCR property. in denver area where my mom lives you are very hard pressed to find any new housing in non hoa neighborhoods and many of the older sub divisions are being gobbled up by HOA's.

i have really stopped trying to explain this concept (this thread is the 1st time in many years) to people because no matter how many different ways i attempt explain it no one can see 10 or 20 years down the road it seems like i can or understand what it is i am trying to explain about what i am seeing going on and have been seeing progressively over the last 20 years.

i will probably try to explain this concept again in a few more years down the road and see if attitudes on the subject have changed any.

i have noticed in this country we have a last minute attitude toward many things in spite of all the red flags and warnings put up by many people before we as citizens react to any threats to our sovereignty civil liberties or freedoms.

i will not voice any more on this subject in this thread.

thank you

Robert,

Interesting concept. I can only speak about my own area which has not experienced what you described. Actually, housing construction has all but come to a stop in our area starting about four years ago, as did our small business, almost like someone just turned the lights off. What is the situation with the amateur radio antenna?

Paul T
RobertC14 (Colorado)
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Posted:
this here might give you a good idea of the relation with HOA's and antenna restrictions
http://www.eham.net/ehamforum/smf/index.php/board,2.0.html

but there are many other rules and regulations contained within many CCR's that an HOA would be prohibited from having in their CCR's if they were a government entity but a private contract situation allows.

this is one of the many reasons municipalities like CCR's and HOA's and thus require them on all new construction because they can be so more restrictive than what a municipality is allowed to enforce.

the original intent on an HOA was to manage the day to day maintenance of the common elements of a subdivision so the municipality didn't have to. things such as retaining ponds, pools, parks, etc.

over the years as it was discovered they could do other things hence the more restrictive covenants (starting in the late 70's to early 80's) evolved and was actually just a unintended by product of the original intent of an HOA but was none the less a welcome one by the municipalities for reasons stated above.

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LarryB13 (Arizona)
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Posted By JohnC46 on 09/19/2012 2:51 PM

We saw it play out last year on a national stage when Homes for Our Troops tried to bully the Knob Hill subdivision in Evans into allowing the group to build a home that didn’t meet the neighborhood’s guidelines.

Despite being falsely accused of disliking veterans – the home was for a disabled vet – the homeowners association stuck to its guns. HFOT was able to build the home elsewhere, but it’ll take a while for Knob Hill to recover from the slander. . . .

Just as Homes for Our Troops tried to justify bending the rules in Knob Hill because they were trying to help a disabled veteran . . .

Obviously, the veteran was not very good at soldiering, otherwise he would not have been disabled, and therefore he did not deserve any reasonable accomodations for a handicapped person. I do hope ever so much that the Knob Hill homeowners recover from the vicious slander they suffered from those who have the audacious temerity to support our troops and disabled veterans. I for one am thankful that I live in a country where homeowners associations have the opportunity to kick disabled veterans around. This article makes me proud to be an American.

RobertC14 (Colorado)
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Posted By LarryB13 on 09/26/2012 3:30 PM
Posted By JohnC46 on 09/19/2012 2:51 PM

We saw it play out last year on a national stage when Homes for Our Troops tried to bully the Knob Hill subdivision in Evans into allowing the group to build a home that didn’t meet the neighborhood’s guidelines.

Despite being falsely accused of disliking veterans – the home was for a disabled vet – the homeowners association stuck to its guns. HFOT was able to build the home elsewhere, but it’ll take a while for Knob Hill to recover from the slander. . . .

Just as Homes for Our Troops tried to justify bending the rules in Knob Hill because they were trying to help a disabled veteran . . .


Obviously, the veteran was not very good at soldiering, otherwise he would not have been disabled, and therefore he did not deserve any reasonable accomodations for a handicapped person. I do hope ever so much that the Knob Hill homeowners recover from the vicious slander they suffered from those who have the audacious temerity to support our troops and disabled veterans. I for one am thankful that I live in a country where homeowners associations have the opportunity to kick disabled veterans around. This article makes me proud to be an American.


i hear you and it is another example of something an HOA can do where a municipality can not.

we should avoid bringing up any specific situation or HOA bashing on any one specific situation as that may offend some people and get the topic removed.

i was just attempting to voice some generalities around HOA's versus any one specific situation.

thank you

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JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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Posted By LarryB13 on 09/26/2012 3:30 PM
Posted By JohnC46 on 09/19/2012 2:51 PM

We saw it play out last year on a national stage when Homes for Our Troops tried to bully the Knob Hill subdivision in Evans into allowing the group to build a home that didn’t meet the neighborhood’s guidelines.

Despite being falsely accused of disliking veterans – the home was for a disabled vet – the homeowners association stuck to its guns. HFOT was able to build the home elsewhere, but it’ll take a while for Knob Hill to recover from the slander. . . .

Just as Homes for Our Troops tried to justify bending the rules in Knob Hill because they were trying to help a disabled veteran . . .


Obviously, the veteran was not very good at soldiering, otherwise he would not have been disabled, and therefore he did not deserve any reasonable accomodations for a handicapped person. I do hope ever so much that the Knob Hill homeowners recover from the vicious slander they suffered from those who have the audacious temerity to support our troops and disabled veterans. I for one am thankful that I live in a country where homeowners associations have the opportunity to kick disabled veterans around. This article makes me proud to be an American.


Larry

The problem with many of these things is one often does know the full story. They only hear/see an exploitive side.

One such case (in OH I think) was about a retired military person building a tall flag pole in his front lawn to fly the American flag. Headline read "HOA Says No American Flag Flying". Wrong. The association allowed one to fly the American flag but they did not allow a flag pole (or anything else) to be erected in the front yard without permission. The bottom line isssue was not flying an American flag, it was the flag pole erected in ones front yard without permission but few wanted to listen to that.

Could it be a similar issue with the disabled vet?

And now, the other side.......

LarryB13 (Arizona)
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Posted By JohnC46 on 09/26/2012 5:00 PM

Larry

The problem with many of these things is one often does know the full story. They only hear/see an exploitive side.

One such case (in OH I think) was about a retired military person building a tall flag pole in his front lawn to fly the American flag. Headline read "HOA Says No American Flag Flying". Wrong. The association allowed one to fly the American flag but they did not allow a flag pole (or anything else) to be erected in the front yard without permission. The bottom line isssue was not flying an American flag, it was the flag pole erected in ones front yard without permission but few wanted to listen to that.

Could it be a similar issue with the disabled vet?

And now, the other side.......

John,

I agree with you completely.

The article was a highly-biased one-sided presentation that left out a whole lot of facts. It was presented as an opinion piece in the Columbia County News-Times. As op-ed, the newspaper was free to state its opinion without presenting any facts. My endorsement of their position might have changed had they bothered to present facts instead of claiming, for example, that the homeowners have yet "to recover from the slander." (My, my! What will they do?)
MikeR15 (Massachusetts)
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I live in an HOA and I am SUING them to strip them of the power to fine my neighbors.

Next I will strip them of the power to change the governing documents without the permission of homeowners.

NEXT....I will sue them to implement OPEN MEETING LAWs on their meetings (they meet before-hand and the meetings are an excercise in manipulation and deceit)

In other words...I am going to reduce their powers to executive only...with strict homeowner oversight of what they do of course.

Then MAYBE...this HOA...like every HOA...will cease being the joke on Amercian democracy that is is today.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
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In other words Mike...Your suing yourself and your neighbors...Good luck with that...

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TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Posted By MikeR15 on 12/09/2012 10:50 AM

I live in an HOA and I am SUING them to strip them of the power to fine . . .of the power to change the governing documents without the permission of homeowners . . . to implement OPEN MEETING LAWs on their meetings (they meet before-hand and the meetings are an excercise in manipulation and deceit). . . I am going to reduce their powers to executive only...with strict homeowner oversight of what they do of course.

Two questions:

1) Why not serve on the Board instead of bringing legal action against the Board? It's easier and less expensive to change things from within.

2) Why did you purchase property governed by an Association? It sounds like you would be happier purchasing a property without deed restrictions or an Association to oversee those restrictions.
PaulT6 (California)
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Mike,

Don't hold back, tell us how you really feel. Please let us know how it all comes out.

Paul T
GlenL (Ohio)
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Posted By MikeR15 on 12/09/2012 10:50 AM
I live in an HOA and I am SUING them to strip them of the power to fine my neighbors.

Next I will strip them of the power to change the governing documents without the permission of homeowners.

NEXT....I will sue them to implement OPEN MEETING LAWs on their meetings (they meet before-hand and the meetings are an excercise in manipulation and deceit)

In other words...I am going to reduce their powers to executive only...with strict homeowner oversight of what they do of course.

Then MAYBE...this HOA...like every HOA...will cease being the joke on Amercian democracy that is is today.

Translation: I got fined for doing something I freely agreed not to do when I voluntarily purchased a home in my HOA. Even though I violated the CC&R's, how dare they try to hold me to the contract I signed, what is this Russia? My home is my castle and how dare those bastards tell me not to do something.


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PaulT6 (California)
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Posted By MikeR15 on 12/09/2012 10:50 AM
I live in an HOA and I am SUING them to strip them of the power to fine my neighbors.

Next I will strip them of the power to change the governing documents without the permission of homeowners.

NEXT....I will sue them to implement OPEN MEETING LAWs on their meetings (they meet before-hand and the meetings are an excercise in manipulation and deceit)

In other words...I am going to reduce their powers to executive only...with strict homeowner oversight of what they do of course.

Then MAYBE...this HOA...like every HOA...will cease being the joke on Amercian democracy that is is today.

Mike,

Sounds like you may have a lot of money to spend on legal fees unless you can get the ACLU to take your cases for free. I promise to support your cause if you will send me some of it. Let us know how it comes out.

Paul T
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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Posted By GlenL on 12/10/2012 1:16 AM
Posted By MikeR15 on 12/09/2012 10:50 AM
I live in an HOA and I am SUING them to strip them of the power to fine my neighbors.

Next I will strip them of the power to change the governing documents without the permission of homeowners.

NEXT....I will sue them to implement OPEN MEETING LAWs on their meetings (they meet before-hand and the meetings are an excercise in manipulation and deceit)

In other words...I am going to reduce their powers to executive only...with strict homeowner oversight of what they do of course.

Then MAYBE...this HOA...like every HOA...will cease being the joke on Amercian democracy that is is today.


Translation: I got fined for doing something I freely agreed not to do when I voluntarily purchased a home in my HOA. Even though I violated the CC&R's, how dare they try to hold me to the contract I signed, what is this Russia? My home is my castle and how dare those bastards tell me not to do something.


Me thinks you might be correct.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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Posted By GlenL on 12/10/2012 1:16 AM
Posted By MikeR15 on 12/09/2012 10:50 AM
I live in an HOA and I am SUING them to strip them of the power to fine my neighbors.

Next I will strip them of the power to change the governing documents without the permission of homeowners.

NEXT....I will sue them to implement OPEN MEETING LAWs on their meetings (they meet before-hand and the meetings are an excercise in manipulation and deceit)

In other words...I am going to reduce their powers to executive only...with strict homeowner oversight of what they do of course.

Then MAYBE...this HOA...like every HOA...will cease being the joke on Amercian democracy that is is today.


Translation: I got fined for doing something I freely agreed not to do when I voluntarily purchased a home in my HOA. Even though I violated the CC&R's, how dare they try to hold me to the contract I signed, what is this Russia? My home is my castle and how dare those bastards tell me not to do something.


Me thinks you might be correct.
ThowhedaA (California)
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GlenL (Ohio)
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Posted By ThowhedaA on 12/12/2012 7:10 PM
InterCloud9's Enterprise Voice Broadcasting system works by leveraging the power of our first in class cloud calling and automated dialing technology to reach hundreds or even thousands of potential contacts at once. Our industry leading automated message delivery system and live lead transfer platform plays your pre-recorded message each and every time, without human mistakes or deviations. Whether your your looking drive interested prospects to your sales floor, a political candidate running for office, school official reaching out to parents about up coming events or a government agency needing to deliver critical information in real-time interCloud9 has the voice broadcasting solution you need.

It may do all of that but IMO the company is certainly suspect since they are trying to get their message out by violating the posting rules of the forum. If they do this, how ethical could the company be?

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