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ClaytonH (Colorado)
Posts: 4
Posted:
A homeowner of our small <20 home subdivision submitted a request to the ACC to build a fence along both neighboring sides of the property. One neighbor sent a letter to the Board suggesting that it was against the rules and used the lawyer word in his letter. The Board and the ACC subsequently all quit. A meeting was held and an new Board was elected, and no one was willing to serve on the ACC. The Board is now made up of the submitter, and the two neighbors. All have a personal interest in the issue. Per our CC&Rs the duties of the ACC fall on the Board if none are appointed. There is currently no Conflict of Interest rule or any definition or discussion in the CC&Rs or ByLaws.

Is it a conflict of interest for the current Board to decide?
If so, what do we do?
PaulT6 (California)
Posts: 409
Posted:
Looks like you are going to get a fence :-) Seriously, it world appear that if, indeed, your Governing Documents prohibits fences, "they" may very well grant themselves a variance. Or, they may just go ahead and build the fence anyway. I think legal action may be your only possibility. You may also want to review your Town's codes and zoning ordinances related to fences.

Paul T
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
First, seek emergency doses of testosterone cause it sounds like you have a bunch of little girly-men in your association.

Does Colorado law address conflict-of-interest in its non-profit corporation laws? Some states would prohibit a director from voting on the issue. In Arizona, a director who has a conflict of interest must state that he has a conflict but they may vote on the issue anyway! Go figure.

If association approval is required and all board members have a conflict of interest that prevents them from voting on the issue then the fence will not be approved. The requester can do nothing, he can build the fence without approval and suffer the consequences, or he could seek approval from the courts.
KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
Posted:
While it may be considered a conflict of interest for the submitter to rule over his own ACC situation, I would not think his neighbors would have a conflict. Their concerns would be as valid as the other homeowner who complained, or any other homeowner for that matter, since the fence would not be on their property. The submitter could easily step aside and let his neighbors vote and everything would be good.

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
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Posted By ClaytonH on 09/17/2012 3:12 PM
A homeowner of our small <20 home subdivision submitted a request to the ACC to build a fence along both neighboring sides of the property. One neighbor sent a letter to the Board suggesting that it was against the rules and used the lawyer word in his letter. The Board and the ACC subsequently all quit. A meeting was held and an new Board was elected, and no one was willing to serve on the ACC. The Board is now made up of the submitter, and the two neighbors. All have a personal interest in the issue. Per our CC&Rs the duties of the ACC fall on the Board if none are appointed. There is currently no Conflict of Interest rule or any definition or discussion in the CC&Rs or ByLaws.

Is it a conflict of interest for the current Board to decide?
If so, what do we do?

Am I reading this correctly? One neighbor's letter drove all members off the BOD and ACC?

If as I read it ture, two comments:

1 What a bunch of pussies on the BOD and ACC.

2. Say hello to fences.

ClaytonH (Colorado)
Posts: 4
Posted:
I should point out that I am on the Board. I'm on the other side of the fence (pun intended). So one member (the submitter) is obviously for it, the other neighbor (letter writer) is against.

My question is whether or not we as a Board can even vote on it.
ClaytonH (Colorado)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Yes, much of our BOD and ACC was without testosterone.

Our rules for fences state that they must be less than 6' (4' was requested). They also state that the fence cannot interfere with the views of any property. All the current property line fences are split rail. The proposed fence is solid cedar.
PaulT6 (California)
Posts: 409
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Posted By ClaytonH on 09/17/2012 4:38 PM
Yes, much of our BOD and ACC was without testosterone.

Our rules for fences state that they must be less than 6' (4' was requested). They also state that the fence cannot interfere with the views of any property. All the current property line fences are split rail. The proposed fence is solid cedar.

It appears that your rules allow fences less than 6 feet high? Unless you have specific restrictions related to the type of construction and your rules are not super-ceded by the Town, looks like you are going to have a solid Cedar fence.

Paul T
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Clayton,

What the individual who wants to build the fence fails to recognize is that any member may enforce the covenants in court. Therefore, if the "no fences" wording is a covenant, the Board has no authority to overturn the covenant.

What the Board fails to recognize is that the Board faces potential legal action for breach of contract from the challenger if they approve the fence in violation of the covenants. Additionally, if the individual who wants the fence installs it, based on the ruling from the Association, and is forced to take it down, the Association could face potential legal action from that individual for damages (because the Association should have never authorized the fence in the first place).

What the membership fails to recognize is that they will have to pay their share of the legal bills.

Now if the "no fence" wording is a guideline vs. a covenant, that is a different issue.

Is the no fence wording a covenant or a guideline?

I find it difficult to believe that the entire board and architectural committee would resign based solely on what is in this posting. Therefore, I believe that there is a lot more to this issue than we are being informed of.
ClaytonH (Colorado)
Posts: 4
Posted:
There is not a "no fence" rule in the CC&Rs or ByLaws. The CC&Rs state:
"Fences shall be not more than six (6) feet high on side and rear lot lines and three (3) feet high on front lot-lines constructed of natural materials, and shall be of such construction and placement that they shall not interfere with the view of any Owner. Fences shall be constructed only after submission of plans for same to the Architectural Control Commission."
The request is for a 4' solid cedar fence on the side lot lines. The opposing neighbor states that it will interfere with their view.
The previous Board failed to act. They simply resigned when they saw the problem coming. There has been no ruling from the current Board as I feel it could be construed as a conflict of interest for any of us to rule as the proposed fence touches all of our properties. I'm just not sure what to do.

I can understand how you would think there is more to the story. There probably is. I only know what I know. I wasn't on the previous Board or ACC, so I don't know what conversations were had that led to the resignations. I have everything that was put on paper and I disclosed the gist of it above.

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